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I am noticing a lot of drummers using a second snare in the floor tom position. Can someone explain this phenomenon? Snares-off, Timbale style, tuned low to emulate low tom, or snares-on?
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All of the above... Just saw a Will Kennedy clinic (performance) on youtube and he used one in the rack tom position, snares on and off. I dig the different colors it brought.


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I think for different colors.  I seen a video that showed Peter Erskine using his signature side snare in the first rack tom position.  I thought it sounded good there the way he was playing it.


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I imagine one of the benefits is you can tune it low and get a low timbale "floor tom-ish" sound with the snares off, but you could turn them on and have an addional super deep, thunk snare texture to play with as well.

 

I;ve see a lot of guys doing this as well.


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The first player I noticed that with was Sput Searight, then Anika Nilles but Chris "Daddy" Dave has been using a multi-snare set up for quite some time. With the resurgence of fat snare sounds, I get the feeling this will outlast fad status and stick around for quite a while like 10 and 12" side snares did (and have).


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There's a great vid with Eric Harland who uses a snare where it's supposed to be, then a rack tom snare, too.  Never seen one used as a "FT".......


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The drummer from Lake Street Dive used a super low tuned 15" snare next to hats when I saw them a couple months ago.

Edited by Tmcfour, 11 September 2017 - 06:01 PM.

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When I get the time I want to experiment with a 14" snare in the floor tom 1 spot. I'll tune it a bit lower so it's close to the 16" floor tom, and see how it does as another snare voice.
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Can't guess where the 2nd snare was, but this is from 1963 and is either Gary Chester or Buddy Saltzman:

 


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https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg

 

drummers do the Craziest things

maybe because why we are

drummers.

seems to have been a time when drummers (us) wouldn't think twice about doing something unconventional. Now, You better have a dang good reason


Edited by JDA, 11 September 2017 - 11:33 PM.

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While it wasn't a snare drum in the floor tom position. I saw Jim Keltner set up a whole set of snare drums (regular SD and two small ones as rack toms) in 1998 when he was touring with Bill Frisell.  Jim had the snares at all different tensions, and sometimes used them as toms and sometimes as snares. (He now has a few toms with snare strainers mounted on them.) But it was super cool and creative. This was at the Bottom Line in NYC, I happened to sit next to Jay Bellerose, and we talked about how wonderful Jim was all night. I think Jim used this same type of set on the Frisell record "Gone, Like a Train" too. CHECK IT OUT!!!

 

With all respect, this was long before Chris Dave and Eric Harland started doing it, but I love what they do with this type of set-up too.

 

That Keltner experience inspired me to (eventually) create a whole "drum set o' snares" that I have used on a few gigs. My set consists of a normal snare, a mounted Yamaha 10" snare, and a mounted Yamaha 12" snare. (Back to the original topic) on that set, my "floor tom" is an old WFL 8x15 snare on an extra low snare stand tuned low and swampy. So that makes a set of four snares and a bass drum. I usually compliment the set with a pair of 16" crashes as hats, a riveted ride, and a wide open BD.

 

A few times I have used this "set" with a normally tuned 24" bass drum, rack snares switched, and a wide open 18" floor tom. That was pretty cool too. Here's a picture of when I started experimenting with that in my drum room.

 

 

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Someday, I might go "Full Keltner" and get some extra rack toms for one of my sets, and have some strainers installed.

 

No specific reason for it (JDA,) I just dig the musical headspace it puts me into. I also like the way it makes me orchestrate within the music. And sometimes you just get "itchy."

 

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Edited by nomsgmusic, 12 September 2017 - 01:00 AM.

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I once took a set to a gig with two 14x14 floor toms and 14x20 bass and 5x14 snare. I angled the 14x14 on legs into the small tom position.


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I once took a set to a gig with two 14x14 floor toms and 14x20 bass and 5x14 snare. I angled the 14x14 on legs into the small tom position.


Neat idea. I don't use my 14" FT because I hate having to reach for the 16"ft. This may be a viable option if I can get it close enough to the left side of my kick.
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Neat idea. I don't use my 14" FT because I hate having to reach for the 16"ft. This may be a viable option if I can get it close enough to the left side of my kick.


Not to derail the thread, but have you tried your 14" floor tom in a side snare position on the other side of your hats? I had mine there for a while and liked it. Just another option.
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