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Cymbals are or are not over-rated?

 

A great player can or cannot make even budget-line cymbals sound great?

 

DIscuss?


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I have a splash cymbal that could be a nice discus.

 


Edited by swarfrat, 24 October 2017 - 10:06 AM.

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"Some" inexpensive cymbals are capable of being very musical. A mature player will be able to take those cymbals further than a lessor player. Some cymbals are just "cheap" and no amount of experience will make them musical....ever.

A good set of quality cymbals will go a long way towards improving the oversll sound of ANY player at ANY level. But a cheap set of cymbals will make any player sound like....well... I think we all know the answer to that one... Lol
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You can make cheap drums sound better with heads/tuning/muffling, etc. but cymbals sound pretty much how they sound,


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You can make cheap drums sound better with heads/tuning/muffling, etc. but cymbals sound pretty much how they sound,

Agreed, but I should mention the level of craftsmanship/quality of less expensive lines of cymbals is many times better today (2010's) than the amateur/semi-pro stuff offered 20-30 years ago.


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I'd much rather play a set of cheap drums with good cymbals, then the other way around. You can tune drums to get what you want. A clangy cymbal will always be a clangy cymbal. You can play it with more finesse and make it sound better, but you can't tune it. Gotta say tho. I play a local blues jam regularly. House kit has some low end Sabians on it. The ride is particularly thick. I traded out for my cymbals one night. Didn't hear any difference with some of the jammers.You gotta "play" thinner cymbals. Just bashing didn't bring anything outta them. Last time I'll bother with that!Attached File  21752870_10210455533049857_2418864729810435391_o.jpg   135.37KB   0 downloads


Edited by crash, 23 October 2017 - 12:39 PM.

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We still have to remember that a cymbal is still an instrument. Just like low end guitars, bass, drums and so forth. You get out what you put in. I'm sure Michael Jordan is still a great basketball player if played in Vans compared to his own style shoe. Here's an example, when I played football Nike had a cleat called Sharks. Everyone on the team had to have them and went out and bought them. They did not make them play better some were even cut from the team. I bought a pair of Adidas standard cleat made the team and had a decent career. I believe a set of Sabian HHXs would sound 10x better than a set of B8s, but would the HHXs make me a better player? Probably not....
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 I use the cheapest ride cymbal I own (Paiste 404) 95% of the time to the exclusion of my other cymbals that in some cases were 5X the price. It has a pretty, mellow stick sound with a nice cushion, a very musical bell, and a tremendous crash sound. What more could I ask for? 


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I have a set of older 14" Zildjian ZXT hi hats that i was given that sound so good they are always used for recording. The rest of that line always sounded cheap and clangy to me but those hats are sweet somehow.......


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Every cymbal is different. You may get lucky and come across a cheap cymbal that sounds good. You may even occasionally want a certain sound from a cheaper cymbal...BUT... you can't tune a cymbal or change the heads. Short of putting rivets in it or hanging a chain or something on it, you've got what you've got. There's a limit to the ways a great player can strike a cymbal and make it sound much different. Of course a great player will sound better than an average or beginner on junk cymbals but he'll undoubtedly sound much better on high quality ones. 

For this reason I am very particular about my cymbals. I've got all Zildjian and Sabian, and a lot of them. Even a few of those are relegated to the unused pile because they just don't please me anymore. I'd love to have some Paistes and others as well. 

 

So I check the "not over-rated" box.


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Life is short. Play decent cymbals.
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I play cheap cymbals. They sound great. I have played both expensive and cheap cymbals that have sounded horrible. Shop around is my motto when it comes to cymbals. I have come to love Wu Hans. Their western crashes sound great. I generally play 18" and 16" crashes. And their chinas are amazing. Haven't tried a ride yet or hats but when I need or want new ones Wu Han will have my business first. If they suck I'm only out 80-120 bucks as oppossed to 180-400
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You can make cheap drums sound better with heads/tuning/muffling, etc. but cymbals sound pretty much how they sound,

Yeah, I tell my students to find a cheap drum set, but don't skimp on the cymbals. 

 

Cheap ass cymbals won't make anybody a better or worse player, but when you get on a professional gig, you'd better have good cymbals. 


Edited by rondrums51, 23 October 2017 - 05:34 PM.

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Proudly wear my Air Jordan's while sloppily playing the beats (on my Noble & Cooley drums and Paiste Trad cymbal set) that young children have mastered by the time they're 5 years old.  


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The only rule is does it please you. Your sound is in your hands.
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The only rule is does it please you. Your sound is in your hands.

Yes and No. Let's refer to the painting

 

The drums are like different brushes

The cymbals are like paint.

 

If you use cheap materials the painting will look cheap. Even if you're great painter and paint "pleases" your painting style


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Ugh, this topic yet again. Yes yes, a good drummer can sound good on any gear; We get it. But a good drummer will sound BETTER on decent equipment, especially cymbals.
I never understood the concept of trying to separate ability from gear. Yes we've seen Benny play on a Spongebob kit. So, why doesn't he play that live? Because ultimately it sounds like crap, isn't durable and looks ridiculous.
Can a NASCAR driver do as well in say, a standard Honda Accord? His abilities are the same so he should get the same results, right? The answer is of course no. The Accord has imitations that his regular car doesn't, regardless of the drivers abilities. Why should drum gear be different?
I love the endless debate about this, because try as many might, you cannot get around the fact that good, decent gear inspires you, makes your already good abilities shine through better, looks better and yes, sounds better.
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Cymbals and snare drums - arguably the most personal aspects of the drum set. Drums may come and go, but cymbals we tend to cherish for a lifetime. Hard to replace that special ride or old pair of perfect hats.
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Monty, I agree with you 100%  I was poking fun at a similar topic.


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One more vote for quality cymbals or at least meticulously chosen, less expensive ones. After teaching high school kids basic swing patterns on a stamped hunk of B8 this morning I can vouch for that  :laughing6:

 

I see cymbals like microphones. Intermediate is kind of the last place where I want to spend money. Either dirt cheap & totally usable/musical or high quality (and expensive). Everything in the middle ends up getting sold off & is harder to sell at a good price.


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