I am in my 24th year of playing drums. I've played every genre in live situations except metal. While I do enjoy listening to some of the more mainstream metal like Slipknot, Korn, Pantera, I've never really tried to play it outside of home. I bought my first double pedal about 4 years ago and have used it minimally to practice at home. I'm at a point where I'm frustrated with some of the ergonomics it creates for me (Hi-hat too far away, linkage rubbing on hi-hat stand) and am considering dropping it, but there's a nagging thought that maybe I should stick with it and try to develop the skill. Thoughts and votes appreciated.
Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:22 PM
Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:34 PM
I grew up listening to and playing Metal but never found double base Genre specific - Over the years as the bands I've been in changed ( I still love Metal though )
I haven't found much use for it in those situations so I don't gig with it - it stays on my practice kit at home.
Some folks think of Metal as plowing through songs doing 8th notes or what have you - try mixing up fills with it, work on quads ( RL with hands then RL with feet )
or substitute with your feet anywhere in a fill or in a beat - work on it slowly.
If you can read, try a stick control book but use your feet instead under a steady 4/4 beat -
Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:41 PM
I use one 98% of the time in my setups. Not that I am constantly using it, or doing runs with double bass. For me, it is just part of my kit. I have used one for 22yrs and just feel good having it there. I treat it like my hands. I dont have any issues with placement, as my DP is as compact as it will go on the linkage.
Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:59 PM
I had an early double pedal. It SUCKED so I didn't put the time into it to get good, or have the need for it with what I was doing.
Fast forward several years - I attended a Kenny Aronoff clinic. The kind of music he usually plays doesn't require a double pedal/bass, but what he did with one impressed me enough to look at a new (much better) one and spend some time with it.
I still don't run into a lot of situations where I NEED it, and I am no double bass monster, but I can get by. It's nice to know I can do it if it is called for. It's like having another pair of stick/brush related implements in your stick bag. It may not always get used, but it's nice to know it is there if I ever have the need.
Plus I've done some fun things in practice that may/may not ever be used in a real gig.
It's also nice to actually use the left foot for something other than keeping the HH closed.
Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:03 PM
I have no practical use of dbl bass in any music I play. And some musicians I play with are even hostile to the very idea! (I played in a pop punk band for a while where the guy even hated double strokes on one BD!)
But I think it's a great skill for opening up the mind to be more flexible for left and right side things. So I practice dbl bass a lot just for the heck of it.
Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:36 PM
Edited by Tmcfour, 12 July 2018 - 02:39 PM.
Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:25 PM
I've had a double pedal for 25 yrs and never really practiced it seriously...until 6 months. My left foot has improved dramatically...and that translates over into hi hat work and feel as well. Who knew? So my vote is do it....why not? The only downside might be overdoing it....and getting cramps in your foot until the muscles and tendons learn how to do it.
Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:39 PM
I view it as another tool, Carter Beauford is a good enough example to show what can be done without playing metal. Depending on the style you can get by with as little as just a snare up to snare/bass/hats, so I'd argue it holds as much usefulness as anything beyond snare/bass/hats from a musical standpoint. From a professional gigging standpoint most music currently isn't in need of one, so if you're only looking to play pro gigs that don't require one you don't need it. I still think it's as valid musically as playing anything else with two hands.
Posted 13 July 2018 - 07:37 AM
I play a double-pedal and I do think it is an important option to have in your tool kit.
I don't play thrash or metal -- I play classic rock -- but there is still a place for economic use of a double-pedal -- in other words, not to be over-played.
I reply to address your concern about "hi hat too far away".
I got rid of that problem quickly and both pedals at my left foot are in comfortable range and without clutter.
I bought a new Tama Iron Cobra hat stand (use your favorite) and I drilled the rivets out in order to remove the tripod.
I bought the monster clamp from Gibraltar and I clamp the hat stand to a nearby cymbal stand.
Problem solved -- both pedals are where I need them to be -- no clutter around my left foot area.
Edited by VintageUSA, 13 July 2018 - 07:38 AM.
Posted 13 July 2018 - 07:50 AM
I own a double pedal, in fact I had two till last week. It is a useful tool I am sure, but I cannot see myself gigging with it till I am proficient with it.
I keep mine on an e Kit in my practice room. I like noodling with it in practice and it is a lot of fun but it will not see any gig time anytime soon.
Posted 13 July 2018 - 08:05 AM
Posted 13 July 2018 - 08:28 AM
I doubt I'll ever need to play double bass but I have a double pedal set up on my electronic kit at home mostly just for fun but also because I wanted to try and develop the skill. I've had it for about 3 years but just have not put any time into it. I can get a pretty good dugga dugga going and can play along to a few tunes that I like, Live Wire and Red Hot from Motley Crue come to mind. I'd love to get a fast shuffle going like Space Boogie but I'm no where near there yet.
It's good to be well rounded as a drummer but if you know you'll never need or use something then I don't fret too much about it. For 90% of what I do just being able to keep a solid beat, in fact most gigs I really don't need Toms but I have more fun if I have them so I use them.
Posted 13 July 2018 - 01:37 PM
For me double pedal is the hokey way of trying to simulate two bass drums. You get the speed of two kicks but not the sound. The beater bounce is completely different as well and of course schlepping two kicks is huge fun not to mention the venues are close to non existent to play in.
But it is way way way fun to play two kicks. It was always worth the extra effort for me until my physical and health conditions have slowed me down to a crawl stamina wise.
Two kicks = Double bass.
Posted 13 July 2018 - 03:19 PM
Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:09 PM
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