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I don't think I've seen this finish before. Looks to be 80s Ludwigs. Does it look familiar to anyone?


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That's original, i have an older Ludwig catalog with that color in the front.. I believe they called it blue marble, it was laquer. Didden't girlthatdrums had a set like these?
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That's original, i have an older Ludwig catalog with that color in the front.. I believe they called it blue marble, it was laquer. Didden't girlthatdrums had a set like these?


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From the 1994 catalog, this looks like the Black Marble finish (although it looks more like gray.) There's also a set with Black Marble finish on page 5. The Blue Marble finish is really blue and it's on the cover of the catalog.

From the catalog:

"Marble Finishes. Unique, customized, hand painted and sponge applied high gloss finish. UV (ultra-violet light cured) treated and coated with polyurethane."
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Cool kit! Definitely original. Mine was white/pink/grey, which oddly the guys I played with liked more than the girls. What are the sizes on that? I love Mach lugs. :-)
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Nice looking kit, be it original or a re-wrap. That tom mount is from the 80s.

Sizes look to be 22" bd, 10" rack tom, 14" & 16" suspended toms.
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eddiej said:

Nice looking kit, be it original or a re-wrap. That tom mount is from the 80s.

Eddie, it's not a wrap, it's painted. I think I remember reading that these types of finishes were very labor-intensive and that's why they were soon discontinued.
The modular mount is indeed very 80's, but they kept offering them in the 90's. I think they still offer them as an option (why, is a big mystery...).
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Thanks for the info, all. The drums were for sale locally (hence the tiny craigslist pics!). I went ahead and picked them up because I just thought the finish was cool. Plus, like Liz, I've always liked Mach lugs. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with them, since I've made a commitment not to have more drums than I can play, but for now I'm just going to clean them up and see what they'll do.

A few more questions for the Ludwig folks, if you don't mind:

1. The 10" tom has one gold badge and one silver one (see pics). The 14 and 16 each have two gold badges. Is it normal for one badge to be silver?

2. It looks to me like the shell has five plies. If so, would that make it a Super Classic? The '94 catalog that TomN mentioned indicates that the Super Classic snares were 5-ply, but I thought the Super Classics where 4-ply. At any rate, if it's a 6-ply Classic, then it's a lot thinner than the 6-ply Ludwigs I had back in the 80s.

3. These are Monroe badges. What years where those made?

Any help is appreciated!

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It's a 'Shadow' finish I believe..
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Is it a wrap or a lacquer finish? Does it have an overlap like regular drum wraps?

I'm looking at the pic with the closeup of the bearing edge, and it looks to me like a 4 ply layup with the 5th one being the marble wrap? I'm pretty sure that it's a Super Classic which started in 1988, and by then the Monroe badges were being installed.
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It's definitely a painted finish. The shell on the snare is noticeably thicker than the others and it clearly has six plies. The other drums look like five plies to me, but it must be just four since according to the catalog, the only choices for toms and bass drums were four or six plies.

Here are a couple more pics that show the variations in the finish:

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Mike, the "long lug" option for these drums was announced by Ludwig in a 1989 pamphlet/flyer. The Black Marble finish first appeared in the '94 catalog (wasn't in the '88 catalog.)

In the '88 catalog, the Classic bass drums and toms were 6-ply maple/poplar and the Super Classics were 4-ply maple/poplar. The non-Rocker wood snares were all 6-ply Classics (no 4-ply snares.) But in the '94 catalog, Ludwig added a 5-ply Super Classic piccolo and 5-ply Super Classic Satinwood snares in addition to the 6-ply Classic series snares. (Confused yet?)

The drums in your photos look really nice.
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That is definately Black Marble.
1994 Catalog...
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In the 90s Ludwig offered 3 Classic Maple set-ups.
4ply Super Classic
5ply Super Classic Vintage
6ply Classic

I think 1999 was when they switched to the 9ply All Maple shells?
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^ Wow, so they only had four choices of wraps back in 1994? That seems really odd.
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I had this white marble version that I bought new in 1995, date stamped to 1995. They were 4 ply super classics with long lugs. I have never seen a set as a 6 ply classic or without long lugs, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It is not a shadow finish, those were stains with the grain showing through. (I had a set of those too). Mine also has modular mouts and hardware. Mine were 10/12/14/20 and I later ordered a 16. It was my only factory new kit and I ordered it direct. Any more questions, feel free to ask, I have a soft spot for them! I owned them for 12 years until I sold them, best sounding Ludwig kit I have had. Sold them because I was over the finish, but I do still like the finish on the ones you got!
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Btw, here is a pic of mine...
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Nice looking kit, be it original or a re-wrap. That tom mount is from the 80s.

Eddie, it's not a wrap, it's painted. I think I remember reading that these types of finishes were very labor-intensive and that's why they were soon discontinued.
The modular mount is indeed very 80's, but they kept offering them in the 90's. I think they still offer them as an option (why, is a big mystery...).


Why? Because they work and are stout!
I use mine on my '00 Luddy Classics.
I don't not put the tube into the shell just into the mount,since it's a 2 hole bass mount I put the arm in the hole furthest from me positioning the tom where I like it!
They don't seem that bulky to me either.
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Thanks, Liz and everyone for the great info!

Ive been playing these over the weekend, and the bass drum and toms sound fantastic. The seller said he had the 12" tom somewhere "on the other side of the country". I'm hoping to get him to sell it to me to complete the set.
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Those mounted toms on the stand look like they weigh a ton. Are they top heavy ?
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Those mounted toms on the stand look like they weigh a ton. Are they top heavy ?


The toms are actually pretty light. If I end up playing them out, though, I'll probably get RIMS baskets for them.
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