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My brother picked up a Dyna-Sonic with serial # 16xxx. We are trying to determine an approximate year for the drum. I have a Dyna-Sonic with serial #27xxx that a couple of forum members though was a Fullerton drum from very early 1970s.

I have the Cook Rogers book, but there's no serial # chart in it.

Anyone know when the 16xxx may have been?

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67ish - Dayton by my serial number chart. I'll try to upload it, I got it from, I believe, the Rogers forum.
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Here ya go. Rogers serial number chart:
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Dan,

Thank you!
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Your snare is from '67 or so, as Dan stated above.

But: that is an old list, and some of that data has changed since then. It came to be over 10 years ago in an attempt to organize some known facts, and both Kelly Smith and Rob Cook are to be commended for their efforts - but a lot more has been uncovered since then.

For the Dynasonics it's ok, but even there there are problems; there are number ranges like 03xxx/05xxx/07xxx shown - there were never any numbers starting with a zero, and 3xxx is shown as a separate range adding to the confusion.

The major problem is that column where 'Holiday' is mixed in with Londoner, Constellation, Headliner, Spotlight, Starlight, Swingtime etc. It is totally misleading. There is nothing that connects the layout of a drumkit, e.g. Londoner, to a serial number. What had numbers were the individual drum models, i.e. Holiday, Tower, Mercury, Powertone, Dynasonic etc. that comprised any drumkit.

Luxor, Spotlight and Mercury should have their own columns as well, and there should be separate columns for Powertone snares and Powertone drums after the rename from Holiday in 1970.

Each of the different model drums were used in various set configurations. For example, a Londoner had a bass, 2 ride toms, and a floor tom. All of those were Holiday drums (until 1970 when the model name was changed to Powertone to match the snares and sound more modern). Other Holiday drums built on the same day, in the same hour, would have serials in the same sequence, but these may have gone into a Constellation outfit instead. Same type of Holiday drums, different set configuration: the serial numbers having nothing whatsoever to do with set layout.

To make matters worse, in that same column there is Holiday mixed with Spotlite, for example. A Holiday was a top of the line model, while a Spotlite was a low-end single-tension student model drum. Spotlight should have it's own column, although the number produced was very small. And, Spotlight was also the name of a layout which used Spotlight drums, confusing matters more. Also, Holiday numbers went into the 50-60-70-thousand+ number range, while the Spotlight numbers didn't make it much over 1000, if at all. Same with Tower model drums whose production counts were barely 1/10 of the Holidays etc.

For those who have an in-depth knowledge of all this, the chart is of some use. But to a beginner, it's very misleading.

Rob issued a second edition of the Rogers Book where a lot of information was updated and added. Not sure if that chart was fixed, though.

Again, useful books, but not to be taken as Gospel as far as dating.

It is actually better to come here on DFO or over at the Rogers Owners Forum and ask for help on dating a drum.

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Edited by DanC, 29 March 2010 - 11:43 AM.

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Thanks for the info Dan, that's good to know.
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FYI, the Spotlight wasn't a single tensioned student model snare drum like the Classmate or Banner. It was a 6 lugger, and, when introduced in 1954 was top of the line along with the Broadway. This was prior to the introduction of the Holiday in 1955. Also, in Rob Cook's 2nd edition of his book, he eliminated the S/N guide, as he had learned at press time that it was a work in progress and in many ways incorrect. Source: The Rogers Book, 2nd Edition.
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Here ya go. Rogers serial number chart:



Your snare is from '67 or so, as Dan stated above.

But: that is an old list, and some of that data has changed since then. It came to be over 10 years ago in an attempt to organize some known facts, and both Kelly Smith and Rob Cook are to be commended for their efforts - but a lot more has been uncovered since then.

For the Dynasonics it's ok, but even there there are problems; there are number ranges like 03xxx/05xxx/07xxx shown - there were never any numbers starting with a zero, and 3xxx is shown as a separate range adding to the confusion.

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New here, so please be kind if I break an etiquette rule by mistake.

I have recently bought a big R CoB Dynasonic ... still waiting to take possession, very excited!

I am interested to know its age, but the list confuses me: My serial number is D114xxx. The table shows that to be in 1976, but also shows D105xxx is in 1983, which means that mine could be an eighties one, assuming there is some sort of sequential sequence to the numbers? Can anyone shed some light or tell me what I should look for to get an estimate on the date?

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Edited by lovetheblues, 01 June 2010 - 02:59 AM.

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Wasn't Bruce Felter working on an updated list when he died? If so, I wonder if his family still has his notes and if they do, if they would consider sharing them so that the results of his research could be preserved for the benefit of other Rogers lovers.
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Lovetheblues: you have a Big R label on your drum, correct? Not easy to date those drums as the serials tend to be all over the place. They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant.
The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out.

Roger: Bruce and I were working on a new list when he passed away. I've never tried to contact his wife, feeling it was inappropriate in the midst of her loss. That was a number of years ago and I don't know if she still has the same address, etc.
Personally, I would feel very uncomfortable asking her to look for that stuff - it's probably been packed away or even discarded.





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Edited by DanC, 01 June 2010 - 11:24 AM.

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Lovetheblues, you have a Big R label on your drum, correct? Not easy to date those drums as the serials tend to be all over the place. They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant.
The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out.

Roger, Bruce and I were working on a new list when he passed away. I've never tried to contact his wife, feeling it was inappropriate in the midst of her loss. That was a number of years ago and I don't know if she still has the same address, etc.
Personally, I would feel very uncomfortable asking her to look for that stuff - it's probably been packed away or even discarded.

Dan, there might be good news here. As you know, Jack Souligny, ROF head, was working on the list with Bruce also. He knows Bruce's wife and has been in touch. Stay tuned.
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........ I found the best way to date a drum ....... is how it was made.


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Lovetheblues, your Dynasonic COB serial 114xxx......... should have black felts. That would place it about 1983. If it doesnt have felts, I dont know.
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Back in '08, I made a revised version of the dating guide, and corrected some of problems Dan talks about above. I went through all of Bruce's (and other experts') old posts and adjusted the numbers and dates, as well as took out things that didn't make sense, like the crossed out numbers and leading zeros.

Here's a link if you want to download it: http://www.classicvi...~3_mlvbs_08.doc

And here's the original thread from the Rogers forum:

http://www.runboard....nersforum.t3597

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Bill, You rock for doing that! or jazz...

Lets try to wrap this work in progress serial number list to the best we are able from our own "original" actual drums and be done with this. I think it is possible with the 6K members here. More specific what do we need to add to it for it to be complete? Good stuff in the works here and I'd like to add a to date 2010 finalized version that is as close as we are able at this point in time. With that disclaimer. A list of names for contgributors will have to be noted as well. Good schtuff being gathered here(see teaser pic). Time to piece this together as an addition to the must have The Rogers Book second ed. email fltgrycleav@yahoo Peace, Gary
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Lovetheblues: you have a Big R label on your drum, correct? Not easy to date those drums as the serials tend to be all over the place. They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant.
The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out.
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Many thanks. Yes, it is a Big R. I have not yet taken possession. Will post photos when I receive.


Lovetheblues, your Dynasonic COB serial 114xxx......... should have black felts. That would place it about 1983. If it doesnt have felts, I dont know.


Many thanks. I will have a look at the felts when i get it. Not sure what colour they are yet.

Edited by lovetheblues, 03 June 2010 - 01:14 AM.

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Bill - Best list yet. Thank you for that effort.

Gary - Sounds like a plan. Thank you for offering to collect any additional schtuff.

It looks like we're very close to having this wrapped up sometime later this year. I'm glad some people took the effort to research and compile this information and make it available to supplement Rob Cook's Rogers Book. My sincere thanks to all who had a hand in this project.

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..... IMHO... The serial numbers on the Dynasonic are the most consistent and most reliable of all the drums Rogers made. Im not sure, but I think this chart is for Holidays, Powertones, Luxors and Towers is a references for snares? This can be confusing to dating toms. That may be why the additions with the lines through may be entered. There should make a separate one for toms.



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Snares that share a model name with drums, Tower, Luxor etc, used the same tags and the timeline is continuous.

E.G. a Holiday snare with serial 27xxx was made in the same timeframe as a Holiday bass/tom with 27xxx. Same box of tags, used for a variety of drums sharing the same model name.

This holds true across the various model names...
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Lovetheblues: you have a Big R label on your drum, correct? Not easy to date those drums as the serials tend to be all over the place. They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant.
The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out.
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Many thanks. Yes, it is a Big R. I have not yet taken possession. Will post photos when I receive.


Lovetheblues, your Dynasonic COB serial 114xxx......... should have black felts. That would place it about 1983. If it doesnt have felts, I dont know.


Many thanks. I will have a look at the felts when i get it. Not sure what colour they are yet.



The 114xxx is clearly a 1983 number. As to just when... is hard to spot. I have a dated Superten 1-26-83, number 101528, that was built for Gina Schock of the Go-Gos, it has green felts. Tommykat has another drum dated the same day also built for Gina Schock that has black felts. I have Dynasonic number 114608, that has black felts. Production ended in 1984 and the highest numbered drums I have seen are in the 12xxxx zone, with black felts. I have 122346 and 122347, both with black felt.
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