Posted 31 August 2012 - 07:59 PM
I keep coming across the term but cannot find its definition anywhere.
Is it a snare drum without any ring? Or maybe a tom with a deep, cavernous thud?
Is there a reference somewhere for all of the terms that are thrown around - fat, dark, overtone, sustain, attack, warmth, etc?
I was at the Guitar Center today and was listening to an employee talk to someone about snare drums and was having a hard time following what he was saying. (Maybe I'm too much of a left-brain thinker.)
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:01 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:16 PM
"Drier sound, because of fewer high overtones.
More focused note, because of the reduced overtones.
At least, this has been my experience. I also prefer their tunability.
They're not for everyone, though. If you like a very open sound with maximum sustain and sensitivity, you might not like die-cast."
Could someone translate this?
Edited by der Schlagzeuger, 31 August 2012 - 08:17 PM.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:28 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:35 PM
put remo pin stripe heads on the top and bottom of the toms and front and back of the bass drums and thats a F-A-T sound. Yuck ! i dont like fat sounding drums. makes me want to go on a d-i-e-t !
So F-A-T is not desirable?
Should I be saying P-H-A-T ?
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:40 PM
its hard to explain the sound of a fat drum. when you play one,you'll know it for sure. its thick,dense and has a rich full sound to it.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:46 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:56 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:03 PM
Google "Drum Tuning Bible". There is a pdf out there that provides a lot of detail for tuning drums and it might give a description of a "fat" sound. Regardless it's very very useful for tuning your drums!
Thank you - I wish I had found that earlier - even if "fat" is not in there it looks very useful
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:10 PM
I feel 'dry' as a snare without a lot of sustain. The SNAP just happens and is sort of dead (no use of the overtones) think RUSH's Digital Man.
There are loads of ways to get a 'dry' sound, some good, but some just kill the sound of the drum and just makes a thud mixed with snare wire buzz. It all helps to know how to tune and play with the various tunings of top and bottom heads as well as what top head you use and if you use any thing to muffle it be it a wallet, moonjel, head rings, internal muffler, or things even more extreme.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:35 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:36 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:38 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:43 PM
Imagine the sound of a 3" deep piccolo and an 8" deep snare (both having the same wood, diameter and heads and tuning) -- based on the sound generated, the waveform of the piccolo is shorter than the waveform of the 8" deep snare -- the wider the waveform, the "fatter" it is -- so in this example, the 8" deep snare is "fatter" than the 3" deep one. But not all piccolo or shallow depth snare are less "fat" than others and not all deep snares are fatter than shallower. It depends on a bunch of things -- heads, tuning, wood, etc.. I normally use the guide of a fatter snare sound occupies a wider space in the waveform.
The drum tuning bible has a bunch of term definitions that would be helpful in understanding.. I know, it's a long read but once the terms are understood and imagined in sound, a lot of things will be easier to understand
Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:48 PM
"Fat", to me, is like SteveB describes it, and also "full of frequencies", rich, round, warm. The opposite of high, tinny, and snappy.
That's not much help, is it?
Posted 31 August 2012 - 10:04 PM
Edited by APelletier, 31 August 2012 - 10:08 PM.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 10:09 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:01 PM
I think of "fat" as more body, less crack maybe, full tone usually associated with a deeper snare and maybe a 2 ply head - but that is just me & someone else may say those are characteristics (or part of the characteristics) of a "dark" sound -
It is what you perceive it to be. I don't believe there is any measurement device or established 5 point profile that definitively defines a drum tone as "fat".
it's also helpful to know how many different snares sound because a lot of those descriptions are relative and probably only useful in comparisons between snares.
But, some of the other terms you asked about are definitive - attack & sustain are both parts of a sound wave & can be measured.
Edited by 6topher, 31 August 2012 - 11:02 PM.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:44 PM
Its desirability depends upon the musical context, and whether one is mic'd. Higher pitches seem to project better live when unit mic'd.
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