I know from a very good source that Paul was asked to leave the company. I probably shouldn't get into the details to be safe from a legal standpoint.
In short, it seems that Zildjian/Vic Firth is more concerned with being a business focused on monetary gain than the historical significance of...
I'm glad you like it! I don't think the cymbal sounds bad by any means, but it's not the sonic palette I usually go for which is darker and complex. I'd rather someone have it that will use it more than me!
Traded this cymbal with another DFO member. These reissues surely have a vibe, but I found myself not using it as much as all the other cymbals I have. (Which, if you know me, it's a lot of them!)
Thanks for all the kind comments! I do believe these are different than Agop's previous Traditional "Jazz" ride, as the bells are hammered and the overall weight is considerably thinner.
I do agree they are a little washy, at this stage, but as they age and get a little bit of dirt on them...
There was a recent thread about the new Istanbul Agop Traditional Jazz series cymbals and I managed to buy a set from Memphis Drum Shop when they were released a couple of weeks ago.
I made a video showcasing these great cymbals with one of John Riley's great play-a-longs. Enjoy!
Here's one I've had for a while that I just don't use as much anymore. It's a beautiful Meinl 20" Byzance Extra Dry Thin Crash dating back to the early 2010s when they first came out. It has all the things you love about dry, thin cymbals. Check out the video below, or a lot of the videos on my...
14" Istanbul Agop Traditional Jazz
14" Meinl Jazz Thin
14" 60s A's
15" Old K (Intermediate Stamp top, New Stamp bottom)
Check out this video, it's a great resource for tons of brands/models out there:
I also think weight has to do with the player and their playing style.
For example, I’m quite a light player and I don’t use a ton of velocity in my stroke. Therefore, I gravitate towards thinner cymbals because they speak with a light touch. For me, a 20” any heavier than mid 1800’s just...
I studied with Rick for a number of years. (He’s one of the only people I’ve heard talk about humming and also confirmed that 20” 30th was a hummer!) The technique you mention is also very good for controlling the wash of the cymbal as well.
Remember, it’s only an issue if the hum makes such a...
OK, so they were delivered about an hour ago and I can't stop playing them!
These are great cymbals – very musical, complex, warm. They're very similar to the 30ths, and the bells are actually a little bigger than I thought.
I have to get ready for a gig but I hope to post a proper YouTube...
As I'm (not) patiently waiting for the FedEx truck to arrive with the new cymbals:
I think these are quite different from the previous Traditional Jazz cymbals. There is more hammering on the bells and they look a bit smaller. I've heard them being described as somewhere between the 30th and...
What you're hearing are just the natural overtones and frequency spectrum of the cymbal. Similar to harmonics on a string, higher frequencies can be more pronounced if you play on different parts of the cymbal, especially towards the bell. You get the opposite effect when you play towards the...
There’s a product called The Grombal specifically designed for cymbals. Google it and you should find a retailer that sells them.
There’s also a product called The Cymbal Chief that cymbals with a Grombal are designed to sit on. It replaces the bottom felt and works remarkably well.