1968 Ludwig Black Panther

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I recently purchased a beautiful set of '68 Ludwigs in Black Panther wrap 22 / 13 / 16. There are one or two small scuff marks and a small tear on the kick, but they are in general in great condition. I normally use Coated Ambassadors on my vintage Luddies but these came with clear Emperors and man, do they sound HUGE!!! I tuned them low and they can compete with any modern kit insofar as big sound and volume is concerned. I really rate this kit and it will definitely be set up for a good while before changing it out for something else. Here's some pics!
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I always liked the look of Black Panther, nice collection ya got.
 

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Very cool kit. I always loved the look of these. Do you find them to be more dampened compared to a regular wrap?
 

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Very cool kit. I always loved the look of these. Do you find them to be more dampened compared to a regular wrap?
Thanks man. My feeling is actually quite the opposite. It may be the clear heads, but I think that they may be more resonant because of the thinner wrap. The BP wrap is really thin compared to the traditional wraps. Once I fit some Coated Ambassadors, I will be in a better position to assess. I will post my findings:)
 

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Beautiful kit!! Congratulations. I got the reissue of the black panthers earlier this year. View attachment 522318
Beautiful kit man - Ludwig and 2002's, the way it has to be! I did not know that they re-issued them. I wonder whether the wrap on the re-issues are upgraded to a thicker or stronger material. The original wrap is very thin indeed.
 

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The reissue almost looks like it's a stain rather than a wrap. I'm certain it's a wrap but how it will hold up, who knows!! It's definitely thin.
 

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I don't want to derail the thread, but I missed the BP reissue. Are they still currently available?
They reissue are called "black cats". Legacy mahogany shells with the black panther style wrap and wood hoops. I think the are a pretty limited run.
 

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Always loved the BP... And these look great.

A friend of mine got his mits on a very rough looking Camco. When contemplating his options and budget for re-finish, he did the unspeakable and wrapped them in black Tolex to do the first ever and probably only Camco Panther... Frankly, they look and sound badass as all get-up and now get played on the reg. So, all in all, a loss for the purists but a win for the players.
 

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I always thought that the Black Panther wrap was a Tolex type material similar to the material used on Fender guitar amplifiers. That material always seemed to be pretty durable. I know a local drum maker here in Minneapolis (Ellis Drums) offered drums wrapped in Fender Tweed years ago. I always thought they looked pretty nice too.

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I always thought that the Black Panther wrap was a Tolex type material similar to the material used on Fender guitar amplifiers. That material always seemed to be pretty durable. I know a local drum maker here in Minneapolis (Ellis Drums) offered drums wrapped in Fender Tweed years ago. I always thought they looked pretty nice too.

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I don't know about the effect on sound, but these look amaaaaaaazing.... Makes me want to get on the hunt for great vintage tubs in need of a wrap job...
 

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They reissue are called "black cats". Legacy mahogany shells with the black panther style wrap and wood hoops. I think the are a pretty limited run.
So the Black Cats are a throwback to a different generation and not to the Black Panthers. Ludwid's ad copy reads: In the tradition of Ludwig's 'Victorious' drums of the 1940's..."
I'm sure the ad copy would have made the BP relationship. This variant has a black stain finish rather than a wrap.



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Are your drums date stamped? I am aware that BP first appeared in what I believe to be mid-late 1968 but the only way to really determine stuff like that is to see actual date stamped drums and keep a record. I'm just curious if you have a full 1968 date stamp in there? Great looking set BTW.
 

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So the Black Cats are a throwback to a different generation and not to the Black Panthers. Ludwid's ad copy reads: In the tradition of Ludwig's 'Victorious' drums of the 1940's..."
I'm sure the ad copy would have made the BP relationship. This variant has a black stain finish rather than a wrap.



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I believe it has to do with the wood hoops all around.
also not thinking it has anything to do with BP finish, all together different.
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Are your drums date stamped? I am aware that BP first appeared in what I believe to be mid-late 1968 but the only way to really determine stuff like that is to see actual date stamped drums and keep a record. I'm just curious if you have a full 1968 date stamp in there? Great looking set BTW.
Hi there - I cannot recall seeing date stamps in the shells, but I will look again. I just went by the serial numbers - i just checked again and they are actually 1969 serials 738xxx / 740xxx and 741xxx it would appear. I will check for stamps as a matter of interest as well.
 

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Hi there - I cannot recall seeing date stamps in the shells, but I will look again. I just went by the serial numbers - i just checked again and they are actually 1969 serials 738xxx / 740xxx and 741xxx it would appear. I will check for stamps as a matter of interest as well.

Great thanks. Those serial numbers put this set into mid to late 1969. I appreciate the response.
 


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