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'59 Transition badge Super Classic - Complete!

levelpebble

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So I picked this up at a local tag sale. It pays to be first in line! It was the homeowner's dad's kit, purchased in 1960, she said. Amazing condition, I am floored.

All four drums have the exact same date stamp - August 21, 1959, red ink. The two toms and snare are mahogany interior ply; the kick is maple ply. Not a scratch or discoloration on any of the drums. All hardware is extremely clean - just the upper snare tension rods show a little gunk.

Lots of little details I didn't know existed on these kits - the kick hoops are actually blue, not black. a bit of paint loss, but nothing too bad. The cowbell clamp, speedking pedal, and kick dampener all have thin green felt pads intact. Besides the badges, heads, and cowbell (I think), everything else is still branded WFL as the company transition continued.

Kit came with really nice Zildjian pies - hollow block 22 at 2100g, hollow block 18 at 1120g (!!), small stamp hats at 715g over 820g. Plus an off-brand 12" splash at 360g. Heaven.

This looks like it includes everything shown in the 1957 catalog as the No. 980 Buddy Rich Super Classic kit, save the swingtime drumming book.

Attached are some garage shots, pardon my mess. Plenty of dirt has accumulated on the shells over the 40+ years since these have seen the light of day, even thought they were kept in fiber cases. I am going to enjoy giving them a light dusting.
 

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Drooling here! Some of you guys have been breaking out some unreal finds here recently. This one is superb! Please never split it up. The cymbals are fantastic. Love seeing it all together with all the stuff like that. I'm floored..Congratulations!!
 

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Amazing find! Nice to see hidden treasures like this pop up.
I always lock up the brakes for a tag sale!
 

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Wow........nice find, I would feel really comfortable sitting on this kit
 

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Wow those look great. The guitar player in my old band just acquired the same exact set as from Feb 1959 in beautiful really white WMP. He actually got the set a while back from the original owner but the snare was thought to be lost. Fortunately for him the owner was able to locate it tucked away in the attic and all the pieces are back together again. The set you have looks to be in amazing shape. I'm sure you know this but those floor tom legs have a tendency to choke the heck out of the floor tom. Some isolation feet of some sort will help greatly. I had to help my friend do the same thing as he was utterly shocked at the difference in sound on the floor tom after I picked up off the floor and asked him to hit it.
 

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Great set! Yes, I agree with Mike keep that baby together!
I've been also fortunate to score the exact same kit in WMP.
I'll post some pics up soon. Congrats man!
 

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Wow, congratulations! I cant express how pleased I am for you, what a good day at the tag sale!!
 

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What an amazing find for a collector...you must have thought all your birthdays had come in one go....If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay
 
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Stunning find, and another useful data point for my work on the time lags between manufacture of cymbals and their sale with a new kit.

You cymbals are most likely to have their original mounting hole size (7/16" rather than the modern 1/2") given they have been used on vintage hardware. Thanks to Cliff DeArment's work we believe that the change in hole size comes during the late 50s in the Small Stamp era. If you have a 1/2" drill bit (or similar) somewhere in your garage, would you be kind enough the check on the hole diameters for us? I presume the Large Stamps (hollow block stamps) will have 7/16" holes, but I'm keen to know about the hats. Also whether each hat has the A or B variant of the Small Stamp. You can check up on how to tell the difference on my site:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#small

For example, all my mid 50s Large Stamps (2) and Trans stamps (2) have 7/16" holes, and all my Small Stamps (6) have 1/2" holes. The Small Stamps are all the SSB variant except for one of my hats which are a mixed pairing of SSA and SSB. So my own collection contributes very little to the question of when the hole size changed (or to put it more accurately the correlation between hole size and SSA vs SSB stamps on cymbals). And that's the problem: It's hard to come by the data. Every little bit helps which is why I'm asking for your help.

*edit* Forgot to add that a 22" hollow block at 2100g probably deserves one (!) if the 18" hollow block at 1120g deserves two (!!). A 22" with a weight around 2100g is in the lowest 2% of the weight distribution for 22" Large Stamps based on 86 weights I've collected for these so far. :happy11:
 

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Yes, all is as you suspected. Both hats are 1/2" hole and SSA, 7/8" Zildjian Co width. Attached is a shot of the bottom hat stamp; this cymbal retains a faint image of the "HI HAT" ink near the bell.

Interestingly, the Lapage Co 12" splash has a 7/16" center hole. Anyone know who manufactured those cymbals? I believe I have another Lapage splash on a '58 Rogers Eagle badge kit.

John
 

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Thanks John. Mike Layton knows about Lapage I believe. I'm more of a specialist on Zildjian and Paiste and have my hands full just keeping up with all the data on them.
 

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Very noice.

If you ever need a buyer for the cymbals...

I owe Mike Layton one, though, and I'm sure he'd love those cymbals too.
 

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Major score and I understate things.

Love those WFL/Ludwig snares!

The complete kit, cymbals and all.

Beautiful. Look forward to seeing Markrocks68's WMP kit.

I see stuff like this and I go from "I'm settled" to restless with just one look, lol.

Congrats, mon!
 


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