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I'm definitely going to play it awhile "as is" but will be thinking about possibly adding rivets in the future. I get the feeling this one might be really good with that. But I'm so happy with it now that I'm not sure if I want to mess around with an already good thing. On another note... I'm glad to know you survived that jump out of the 727! lol
Thanks!
The good news is you should have plenty of money left over for gear!
The good news is you should have plenty of money left over for gear!
I flew the 727 years ago for TWA when I was starting my career as an airline pilot. Interestingly after "your" little incident, they added a lock on the exterior of the aft airstair door. It was a little piece of metal that had a flap on it that, with enough airflow over it, it would pivot to cover the airstair door and prevent it from being able to be opened from the inside during flight. Guess what it was called? "The D.B. Cooper Lock!" lol
Very cool info . Out of the 20 something Hollow Logo’s I have had since they were new this is one I always wanted but eluded me and I bought not long ago . The minute I saw the big cup it had Rock and my name written all over it . The ad you displayed is spot on , it is POWERFUL and cuts . Should have posted these pics as well . I was hoping to find some ghost Rock stamp on it when it came but it’s gone . I have various A rides from 18” to 24” and I’m 99.9 percent sure he’s the later real deal . You are the resident expert and I trust what you say . Much appreciated Zen . Early 80’?
So it seems to be the tail end of the Hollow Logo era , 1982ish based on the CO w/period and Hollow Logo correct ? Also , you have peeked my curiosity on if it’s a Rock 21 . I realize without the ink stamp it’s hard to pinpoint but the weight and Cup size seems to point in that direction right ? Did they still make the Rock 21 in 1982 ?Bubba has the CO. trademark stamp. That trademark is currently found on cymbals from 1982 to 1987, although the years could be extended if I come across later or earlier ones. The year specific details are based on an ongoing review of the model/diameter specific introduction years and discontinued years for all the models and diameters. It's not finished yet, but has already led to some surprises
60s stamps (both tall and short) last from early 1960s to 1976 with substantial overlapping years. I suspect (but haven't yet got good proof) that the tall 1.5" version came into use a bit later than the short version and that's why there are so many more cymbals with the short (1.25") version. It may well be (but isn't yet proven) that the late 50s small stamps also overlap with the first few years of the 60s stamps. This overlap may be entirely due to cymbals sitting in the vault for a few years before being selected to fill an order. This is the "time lag" effect. The trademark stamp only went on when the cymbal was pulled out, tested, and headed out to fill an order. The "time lag" effect is different from the two 60s stamps being in use at the same time. There really were different dies in use on the same day in the factory in the later 60s, 70s, 80s. Which dies depended on the decade.
The 70s stamp (preferred name now Thin Stamp) was in use from some time in the mid 70s until 1993. It was in use for more years outside the 1970s than during the 1970s. Hence the proposed shift to a less misleading name.
The CO. stamp as above from 1982 to 1987, and use overlaps with the Thin Stamp. Once again this looks like a case of multiple trademark stamps in use in the factory on the same day, but the evidence is still under analysis. It doesn't currently look like a case of "time lag".
There are a number of Rock Rides, Crashes, and Hats which have the 60s stamp. Those are ones which got the 60s stamp because it was still in factory use until 1976. Same with a few other models which came out in the early 1970s. They have 60s stamps. This also explains why New Beats started out with 60s stamps although they were only released as a pair in 1970. There are a number of small revisions in years needed on my site which I haven't gotten to yet. The new evidence on the years of use for stamps also explains why we find "unusual" combinations of stamps and ink (eg 60s stamp and Hollow Ink Zildjian on the same cymbal). The "unusual" combinations appear in the sorts of percentages one would expect based on the new model of how different attributes changed over time.
which use to be an oddity) which lasted until 1976(ish) just in time to have some with hollow Zildjian ink.
When I obtained Bubba I had no clue about the Rock 21 emblem , I was just looking for something with “Rock” . I’ll do another inspection on it when I can now that I know what I’m looking for . That 21 ink has some sweeping curves to it , maybe I’ll pick up a shadow of it on closer inspection . Thank you Zenstat .There was a general change to A Zildjian model ink which came in during 1982. The diameter was added under the model and weight class ink. The model and weight class became a single ink stamp rather than two separate stamps (which were sometimes applied far apart). It seems likely that this is the point at which the Rock21 designation was dropped, and the 21" Rock Ride model was folded in with the Rock21. The trouble I've had is despite collecting all the examples I can lay hands on I still can't be 90% sure when one model was discontinued, and which bell was the one which stayed in use on the 21" Rock Ride, and which weight range was used on the model which stayed in production. Just to confound the issue there is the general weight gain for cymbals across the A Zildjian offerings in the early 1980s, and I'm still trying to get a better handle on that as well. But yes, yours does look like a Rock21 to me. It could have had this ink
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but with the hollow ink on the bottom. But more likely would be this earlier style ink (pre diameter)
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Less likely is the even earlier Groovy style ink (those usually have a 60s stamp
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We're right on a changeover point, as I was discussing before. Not all the attributes change in lock step.
And just to add another player to the 1980 players list Brian posted:
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Shoot me now !
