a simple drum pedal mod for years of fresh feel. stock sealed bearings vs bones swiss bearings.

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i've done a bearing swap for when the high abec bearings lose the light feel n start to feel muddy. Lower abec bearings like the bones are exceptional quality n are high reliability. Allowing you to keep them oiled with fresh oil. What happens with sealed bearings over years of play. The grease becomes impregnated with tiny metal flakes n wears the bearings. The extra impregnation of the grease heightens its viscosity pushing it out from an even spread on the inner to the outer radius of the bearing housing. High abec bearings then loose their initial spec n quality feel. really only important for lateral torque of a bearing. high abec bearings are designed to tolerate that torque of a broken axle style bar for double pedals, or off axis connections with the beater. these allow me also, to maintain them. these also have Less surface area of wear per bearing. Less friction from less amount of bearing. Larger bearing radius allows the bearing to rotate in play n with less rotation/larger surface area means less of that wear will encounter the same spot of the bearing. Equating to a shorter roll per bearing n thus less wear over all. These are lower abec. I think abec 6. Less tolerance but the same overall smoothness longer. We dont want lateral pull anyway on the bearing. Which is what a high abec bearing is for. Counter weighting the throw then prevents the need for high abec except on one key part. The dislocated axle of the double pedal ...the ability to flush the bearing with slide oils. Really keeps my pedal feeling tip top shape. I use slide oil for everything. As it has a tackifier that performs two operations. Designed for industrial use in mills n lathe beds. It takes wear of material n pushes it out n away from the frictional area. Preserving the life of contact point of metal. The oil like grease is designed to suspend the metal wear n remove it. But instead of sealing that n allowing a grease to become more impregnated over time. I can oil the pedal every so often n remove that suspended compound. Bearings are expensive. Pedals are expensive. These are designed to last. N the iron cobra flex drives are the smoothest pedal ive ever played. some of The lightest n smoothest throws out there.

these are bearings designed to take impacts of a human body off of large ledges from skateboarding. i never wore a set of bones swiss bearings out. n i could ollie a 12 stair in my prime, which is why i chose these. they just spin freely. the light rotational inertia and light lateral force on these bearings from a pedal, will leave them lasting a life time when properly cared for. its been 8 months now since the swap, n feel just as the day i put them in.
 

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you will start to tell the grease has gone bad when the double pedal will start to rotate with the main beater without pressing the other pedal at all. as you can see in the video. the second beater isn't moving at all when i use the main beater.
 

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It's nice that skate bearings will fit Tama pedals. I swapped out the bearings in my Camco pedal for skate bearings and it made an instant improvement. Any good quality skate bearing will do, but I like Bones, Lucky, Bronson and Indy.

Like the OP mentioned, skateboard bearings aren't usually a high ABEC rating, because they don't need to be. A higher ABEC rating just allows them to spin faster, but skateboards (like bass drum pedals), don't require high RPMs. However, skateboard bearings are tough, allowing them to handle the impact of a 6-stair gap. This works well for bass drum pedals that are constantly stomped on.
 

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It's nice that skate bearings will fit Tama pedals. I swapped out the bearings in my Camco pedal for skate bearings and it made an instant improvement. Any good quality skate bearing will do, but I like Bones, Lucky, Bronson and Indy.

Like the OP mentioned, skateboard bearings aren't usually a high ABEC rating, because they don't need to be. A higher ABEC rating just allows them to spin faster, but skateboards (like bass drum pedals), don't require high RPMs. However, skateboard bearings are tough, allowing them to handle the impact of a 6-stair gap. This works well for bass drum pedals that are constantly stomped on.
the free spinning nature of the bones swiss, vs the higher rpm tolerance capability of abec 9+, is where the competition of this all lies. bones swiss will just spin in your fingers. most abec 6 bearings aren't capable of what bones can do.. the stock abec 9s certainly won't. n while the stock bearings were smooth, they aren't light like bones, being willing to simply move... n we really aren't going up to 30,000 rpm on a drum pedal lol.. we need that free spinning capability, i believe. the bones swiss though, have the same tolerance in terms of compression between the outer and inner rings of the bearings, which is another reason they are so good. the inner axle ring won't move towards the outer ring.

i think the most interesting part is having the swiss 6, which are larger bearing balls with 6 in the bearing itself, rather than 7 or more.
 

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the free spinning nature of the bones swiss, vs the higher rpm tolerance capability of abec 9+, is where the competition of this all lies. bones swiss will just spin in your fingers.
I've never owned set of Bones Swiss, but I would be interested in trying them. I know you don't get much better for standard skate bearings.
 

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DUUUDE Bo you are a genius. Im a skater and i never ever even thought of using skate bearings on a bass drum pedal. Its so obvious now. I ride Bones Swiss too. Thanks for the inspiration.

I just got a new DW 5000 a couple months ago, but i definitely will remember this mod for the future.
 

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Will skate bearing mods work on pedals other than Tama IC? I would think so, but don't know.
 


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