Guess they didn’t want you to think it was a Paiste!I have been told I was bidding against a few of my dfo brothers and/or sisters , so no hard feelings I hope.
I didn't even know about this thread and for awhile no had bid against me....anyway...here's some clearer pics.
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Not quite following you Joe. Are you trying to say discussion of trademark history is of little value to you because the different trademarks aren't yet correlated with specific sonic differences?if/Any reflection/affect on 'Sound' would have much more Bearing!
otherwise it's "just" as relevant, as a metal "decal"...
if there's no "sound" component associated..
Reducing your rave tothey have been correlated . sound chapters in A. what do you think: 1st, Trans, Hollow, then everything after that (until much well into the 90s later maybe)
is of little value to anyone if there isn't a corresponding sound. People- A people I would assume- don't collect stamps. they collect sound. Old K insignia differences each have a corresponding build and sound (like the four or so A categories) - (and surprisingly more categories than A) If sound ( and response musically) isn't foremost it's mere stamp collecting. Alone that is not important to a musician. (maybe it is to an eccentric collector") Insignia has to have a correlating sound aspect component to be even vaguely of use and practical application;
otherwise you're (moreso) studying the imprinter-the (actual) stamping-tool..itself and it's intricacies.
(which I guess in industry machine /locksmith/vintage tumbler/vintage key/ circles, holds some value)
the reason people pay for and go after specific, intermediate Ks, old stamp Ks, or A trans stamps, or A large stamps, or K new stamps, or whatever their fancy, is for the well known vastly known widely accepted-known; sound the insignia correlates to. Why else do you think an old stamp is priced and receives higher $ than a new stamp. Is not because of the style of insignia it's what that insignia means/guarantees to the sound.
Not looking for an incursive 'J' , looking beyond that..what that guarantees within that person's gathered knowledge base scope..
May not help your claim. Or it might. I'm not sure.o but they are and have been for quite quite sometime ..; ) carry on..
I guess a false correlation is still a correlation.
This thread is about trademarks Joe. Rather than insulting somebody who has an opinion contrary to yours, how about starting a thread giving a review of the research on the correlation of cymbal sound and production era? My own take on the "19 years of Cymbalholic discussion" is that there were only one or two decent studies done and they present evidence which does not support your view. But again, that would be a topic for a different thread.19 years of cymbalholic discussion experience sharing and collaboration on the exact topic notwithstanding we'll take your light word on it gotcha
Exactly. I find it hard to believe that no one at Zildjian ever mentioned that there were these "stamp practice" cymbals lying around; I wonder if there are Sabian ones, too............markoWould love to hear Paul Francis's take on the history of this cymbal full of stamps or Johnny D who is a member
I only presented the initial listing of this item on Ebay....though not making it easy for anyone and providing a direct link. But anyone could have gone searching for a 14" Zildjian at that time....and might have been able to bid on it. My thought was to present it here just in case it disappeared forever in the event I didn't get it. But the real credit is now with Rock Roll and Zenstat and others who are doing the real Heavy Lifting to document and analyze this baby. My input is now just a foot note.Those pictures/cymbal are amazing! Thx for taking the time RR to photograph and indulge us stamp nerds in this fine piece of Zildjian history. Truly one of a kind. Where do you live?