About 3/4, 3/2

jaxjaxon

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when you play 3/4 is the 4 silent or what is the accent on as with 3/2 no rest accent on 1, I have been asking some questions on other forums about the No 3/3 time in music and they say there isn't a 3/3 thet also say there isn't a rest on 4 in 3/4 so how do I accent a 3/4 1,3 like a 4/4 and would it sound like I,i,I,I,i,I accent wise. any thoughts on using a 3/3 beat and take over the world because it will up set a lot of musician who can Grasp the 3 beat like when Dave Bruebeck started his 5/6 and other non traditional time signature.
 

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If you're playing in the, the measure has 3 counts. The 4 refers to the quarter note, which gets the beat or pulse.

There is no 3/3 or 5/6, to my knowledge.

In a given time signature, the top note tells us how many notes the measure is divided into. The bottom note tells you what kind of note gets one count. So in a measure of 4/4, there are 4 notes per bar and the quarter note gets the beat.

As far as what kind of note gets the count, in standard western notation, to my knowledge, that might be 2,4,8,16,32,64, etc. I'm not aware of any 3d , 5th, 7th, etc., notes. That's not to say it couldn't happen, I just haven't seen anything written that way.

But, the day is young.

There are many clips on YT about how to read. Alternately, you could pick up Haskell Harr book 1 and go from there. Or get a teacher - better yet, both.

I hope this helps.
 

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First things first: simple math fractions.

1/2 aka "half"
1/4 aka "quarter"
1/8 aka "eighth"
1/16 aka "sixteenth"

Modern Music uses:
Whole notes - (not much use for drummers)
Half Notes
Quarter Notes
Eighth Notes
Sixteenth Notes
etc.

There are no 3rd, 5th,6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th notes.



THIS IS THE THEORETICAL BASICS OF THE TIME SIGNATURES.

the TOP number in a time signature tells you how many beats are in a measure. This can be from 1 to "anything" but most try to keep it to a simple, countable number.

1/4 - 1|1|1|1|1|1|1| (not very practical)
2/4 - 12|12|12|12|12|
3/4 - 123|123|123|123|123|123|
4/4 - 1234|1234|1234|1234|1234|
5/4 - 12345|12345|12345| (the Dave Brubeck "Take 5" you were probably thinking of)
6/4. 7/4 etc.

The same goes for other time signatures NO MATTER THE BOTTOM NUMBER.

The BOTTOM NUMBER tells you what kind of note is used for the beat.

X/4 = the QUARTER note is used to count.

2/4 = two beats per measure, the Quarter (1/4) note is used to count the beat.
3/4 = three beats per measure, the Quarter note is used to count the beat.
4/4 = four beats per measure, the Quarter note is used to count the beat. - This is the most common time signature used in pop/rock/country music today.
5/4 = five beats per measure, the Quarter note is used to count the beat.
etc

2/2 = two beats per measure, the Half (1/2) note is used to count the beat.
3/2 = three beats per measure, the Half (1/2) note is used to count the beat.
4/2 = four beats per measure, the Half (1/2) note is used to count the beat.
5/2 = five beats per measure, the Half (1/2) note is used to count the beat.

X/8 = The EIGHTH NOTE is used to count the beats.

2/8 = two beats per measure, the Eighth note is used for the beat.
3/8 = three beats per measure, the Eighth note is used for the beat.
4/8 = four beats per measure, the Eighth note is used for the beat.
5/8 = five beats per measure, the Eighth note is used for the beat.
6/8 = six beats per measure, the Half (1/2) note is used to count the beat.
same pattern goes for 1/16, 2/16, 3/16, etc. 1/32, 2/32, 3/32, 4/32, etc.

**** However 3/8. 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 USUALLY imply 1, 2, 3, or 4 beats with a triplet (three) pulse felt underneath. Thinks Shuffles. 4 beats but you feel 1 Trip Let 2 Trip Let 3 Trip Let 4 Trip Let | 1 Trip Let 2 Trip Let 3 Trip Let 4 Trip Let |

It is also the combination of quarter and eight notes that make up odd time signatures. But that is a VERY long discussion. Best to get a teacher and learn the basics in person.
 

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I am wondering why no 3rd. clearly there are songs written with 3 notes to a measure. And with 3/4 only 3 quarter notes are used but no rest at the end for the fourth. which 3/4 would imply there be a rest.
 

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3/4 only has 3 beats per measure. period. NO 4TH BEAT.
The "4" in 3/4 has NOTHING to do with the number of beats in a measure. FORGET THE BOTTOM NUMBER.

The time signature could be 3/256 and there would only be 3 beats in the measure.
Only the TOP NUMBER has anything to do with the number of beats to a measure.

3/2 = 3 beats.
3/4 = 3 beats.
3/8 = 3 beats.
3/16 = 3 beats.
3/32 = 3 beats.
3/64 = 3 beats.
3/128 = 3 beats.

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cworrick - great write up!

jaxjaxon - as mentioned above, you can look up time signatures on YouTube for additional clarification, like this vid:

 

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I am wondering why no 3rd. clearly there are songs written with 3 notes to a measure. And with 3/4 only 3 quarter notes are used but no rest at the end for the fourth. which 3/4 would imply there be a rest.
Ok dude you seriously need to take some lessons. You arent understanding the fundamentals of musical notation and a teacher will clear this all up for you in a very short amount of time. It willreally help! Honest!
 

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