Age and Value of 4 x 13 Brass Piccolo Snare

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Can someone help me date this drum and tell me what it might be worth? I'm moving and putting anything I don't want (like this drum) up for sale.

The pitting/rust spots are pretty heavy in the brass. Can this be fixed? Brasso cleaned the chrome very nicely.

Badge number is A00846. Clutch works great. Nothing written inside the drum. Air vent has hex shape.

Thanks,
Craig "Not a Drummer"

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$100 to $150.
Looks to be late 90's early 2000's.
Brass is quite damaged,so expect low pricing.
 

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Old, pre collectors, likely 80's. How many lugs? 8? Looks like 6?
$150-200 tops in that shape. I have vintage DW's and you can definitely reach out to the company, which is great to reply, but they probably won't have much info on the earlier drums . They're going to want a picture of the badge and any serial number date stamp inside. I doubt there's a date though.....

What's the butt plate?
 

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Thanks for the info, gentlemen. I wrote DW and haven't heard back. I suspected this was a 80's drum, simply on my second-hand purchase in '92 and it looking about as it looks today.

JazzDrumGuy asked "What's the butt plate?" My first thought was that it's a plate upon which you serve butt, but then I googled it and learned it's the opposite side of the throw off. Sorry for my ignorance - recall, I'm not a drummer.
 

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cstorlie,

Did you check your spam file?
I've written to company's before and it seemed like they never answered, only to find out the response ended up in my spam folder.
 

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They probably won't have data going back that far - I've tried, trust me. I'd like to see a picture of your butt (plate!) to try and determine era.........thanks.
 

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Are those nylon zip ties holding the snares onto the strainer? Ive never seen that before.
 

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Nylon zip ties...yup. I"m and engineer, not a drummer. I know they won't stretch and are unlikely to break.
 

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They probably won't have data going back that far - I've tried, trust me. I'd like to see a picture of your butt (plate!) to try and determine era.........thanks.
DwDrums told me that it's a Bell Brass snare from the mid to late 90's and can be considered Collectors Series. However, I swear I bought this in 92 or 93 at the latest and it looked 10 years old when I bought it. Attached are two pics of the butt plate and a pic from the DwDrums site showing the current Collectors series Bell Brass snare.
 

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DwDrums told me that it's a Bell Brass snare from the mid to late 90's and can be considered Collectors Series. However, I swear I bought this in 92 or 93 at the latest and it looked 10 years old when I bought it. Attached are two pics of the butt plate and a pic from the DwDrums site showing the current Collectors series Bell Brass snare.
Bell brass?
 

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Yes, quoting him directly. The new one at the DW web site also has "Bell Brass snare."
 

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You sure it is 13"?
I may not be measuring this correctly. Please let me know if you agree with the following::
Photo 1 and 2 show 13-inch measurement.
Photo 3 shows measurement with tape "up against hump" that appears to make drum appear to have a 3.5-inch height. However, the brass extends beyond the hump.
Photo 4 shows my best guess at brass height. Lengthening of tape due to distortion of close-up photo appears to make my measurement too long, but this is my best guess at brass height: 4-inches.


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Looks like 3x13. I checked my late 80's/early 90's DW snare. It has the Cam-lock throw, a huge contraption on which you flick a button down which disengages a large vertical release mechanism. Works well but awful design, especially if you are going to do it on the fly mid song. My butt plate is just as big, but has a large black adjustment knob. Further research on DFO from a 2014 post indicates mine may be even older, but I digress.

Your butt (btw, the mount screws look non-DW) leads me to believe it is later 90's and possibly early 00's. Both my Craviotto DW snares (sadly, unsigned and un-date stamped) have similar butts. DW could not give me much info about them when I asked. Johnny was with DW about '93 - '03.

I still would be surprised about the bell brass, though - is there a seam inside it?
Is it heavy - I mean very heavy?
 

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man that drums is so cool looking! Let me know if you ever want to sell it! I bet it sounds great!
 

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I may not be measuring this correctly. Please let me know if you agree with the following::
Photo 1 and 2 show 13-inch measurement.
Photo 3 shows measurement with tape "up against hump" that appears to make drum appear to have a 3.5-inch height. However, the brass extends beyond the hump.
Photo 4 shows my best guess at brass height. Lengthening of tape due to distortion of close-up photo appears to make my measurement too long, but this is my best guess at brass height: 4-inches.


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Pull the top head off, set the tape measure inside, against the shell and set the hook end against the bottom head (don't push).
Measure to the top edge of the shell.
I'm betting its actually 13x3.5.

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Looks like 3x13. I checked my late 80's/early 90's DW snare. It has the Cam-lock throw, a huge contraption on which you flick a button down which disengages a large vertical release mechanism. Works well but awful design, especially if you are going to do it on the fly mid song. My butt plate is just as big, but has a large black adjustment knob. Further research on DFO from a 2014 post indicates mine may be even older, but I digress.

Your butt (btw, the mount screws look non-DW) leads me to believe it is later 90's and possibly early 00's. Both my Craviotto DW snares (sadly, unsigned and un-date stamped) have similar butts. DW could not give me much info about them when I asked. Johnny was with DW about '93 - '03.

I still would be surprised about the bell brass, though - is there a seam inside it?
Is it heavy - I mean very heavy?
Yes, there is a seam (see pic), and it's definitely 13x4 (actually 12-7/8 x 4). The brass with attached lugs, throw-off, butt (no rims, snare, or heads) weighs 4 lb 2 oz. It doesn't seem that heavy, but I wear a 14 lb Les Paul and don't know a flim from a flam.

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