Sounds like ours are similar at that lighter weight, though I would say that mine also has a bit of that trashy quality which you described in your heavier bounce ride.I like the Bounce rides, also. I have two 20" Bounces, and they are hugely different from one another (as are many K Cons) so make sure you listen / play before buying if the cymbal appeals to you.
The lighter one is 1706g, has a nice full crash and a huge, roaring wash, but not so much that the stick definition gets lost. The other is 1984g, has a more uneventful crash and much more subdued wash, but is nicely bright with a solid woody ping and can get trashy if you play it that way - very much vintage K sounding in many ways.
It does sound a bit more crashable than most flats I've heard, perhaps that determined the demo direction. Would be nice to hear a bit of more detailed and swung sticking though.even Zildjian can't demonstrate a cymbal without going into full foo fighter mode
but these 1600-1700g K Light flats 20" are -in person- nice..
I don't feel the need for rivets on either Bounce, to me they are just about perfect as is for their respective uses. However, I did add three rivets to a 20" Avedis and they livened up the cymbal beautifully.Sounds like ours are similar at that lighter weight, though I would say that mine also has a bit of that trashy quality which you described in your heavier bounce ride.
Now, I can only speak for myself and would never advocate someone drilling their expensive cymbals without the knowledge, ability and tools to do so. However, I would add that drilling for two rivets has made the cymbal even more lush and atmospheric than it already was. I used it for the first time with my 5 piece electric band, and every one of them was raving about the sound.
Now debating whether to rivet the 19" Avedis as well for a very different sound....
Man that's interesting! Would you say that's the kind of cymbal that was used in whiter shade of pale? When I started drumming I played along to that song often, wondering why my Paiste PST7 ride does not sound the same...you mean like "Whiter Shade of Pale"
Have you tried. A standard no ink older A drilled for 6,7 or 8 rivets; 20"; around 1956g to 2067g's?
On the lighter side but still -what was once- a medium-light Medium ride..
Back lot of ebay they hide sometimes for barely a song. Seller not real knowledgeable, Just have to keep eyes on until one pops up.
I have two (at the above weight)A's, have had for ages; even before I get into my other thin Rides (2 old K 20s, and a Bos Thin Ride)
2009g, 1987g and 1934g. Rides all.
You can do it with a 22 too (maple stick and push the wash out) gently caress but firm like a..
For anyone willing to throw down the cash, just to get done with the hunt, this is where it's at for me. I have a very similar one already, otherwise I might be all over this one:
One of the puzzles to me is how crashes sometimes seem to have low overtones and woody stick sounds despite being designed to achieve the opposite.Crashes are meant to produce the whole range of (high) overtones. This is usually acheived by a larger, high bell. For a ride sound, the higher overtones need to be more subdued, that's why dedicated rides usually have a flatter, sometimes smaller diameter bell.
Billy Hart to my ear has one of the nicest washy/crash ride sounds, check him out - is this the kind of sound you are looking for?
I would god for a light K-type ride cymbal, 20" max.1900g. Zildjian EAK Light ride, Pre-Aged Dry Light, KCon, Sabian Manhattan/Artisan, Paiste Trad./Masters. Maybe something Turkish as well, Agop Mel etc., but these can be hit-and-miss and sometimes have too much high-end wash.
edit: looks like an Istanbul main ride here (bottom logo):
At least the demo drummer isn't playing the bell 80% of the time. Ha, I think farm league for demo drummers should be flat rides to force them to play the cymbal instead of the bell.even Zildjian can't demonstrate a cymbal without going into full foo fighter mode
but these 1600-1700g K Light flats 20" are -in person- nice..
I'm one of your Reverb watchers, although I saw your listing here too. For me, the rivets detract, but for other prospective buyers, they might enhance. In my case, I've pretty much decided to try another kind of cymbal first, though the Vanguards are appealing enough for me to, well, watch them.
Ah, the flat rides . . . I had one once, never warmed to it, and probably don't want one again. Many (such as the ones posted) do give a nice stick sound, but not much crash or anything else, IMHO. I guess I want more versatility, although sometimes the stick sound is nice.How about a flat ride? Nice stick sound and great for quieter tunes -
One of my favorites from sound files is the K Custom Dry Light Ride. That appeals to me more than the heavier one. However, I'm hesitant to buy anything dry (which seems to me to include most of the "Turk" cymbals) because I fear that all ping and no wash may be limiting in the long run. Gotta admit that many of them have a nice stick sound though.I bought a used 20" Zildjian K Custom Dry Ride that's got a great ping, and little wash. Just what I was missing.
I bought a used 20-inch Zildjian marked 'Rock Crash' cymbal at Guitar Center up in Phoenix (where the Devil shops). It is absolutely one of the best long-distance light-ride cymbals in my arsenal and at 2200+ grams! You could ride that plate for years without it washing. Mighty bright sound. It was the furthest thing from a crash. Bastard had to be mine! I have it sitting on a Tour Custom kit at my sister's house in Wisconsin.My search for a ride with a woody stick sound to use for some kinds of quieter songs has been very frustrating. I just can't find the sound I want.
Recently, albeit only based sound files, I've been attracted to some lighter 20" crash/rides weighing in around 1600 grams. Some of those seem like they might give me the sound I'm looking for.
Then on a lark, I listened to some 20" cymbals labeled crashes about this weight and was shocked that the so-called crash cymbals seem more apt to give me the ride sound I seek than the cymbals labeled either ride or crash/ride.
Of course, sound files are a lousy way to assess cymbals, and they're especially bad for assessing cymbals labeled crash used as rides. The demo drummers do a lot of crashing of these cymbals (duh), and when they "ride" them, they are usually simultaneously crashing them. Well, I understand this, and it's one fun way to play a crash cymbal, but I'm more interested in the pure, quiet, stick sound of a soft ride pattern. The demo drummers rarely play crash cymbals as rides for more than a few seconds, but those few seconds sometimes appeal to me.
Does anybody use a 20" crash as a quiet ride for something like I'm describing? Oh, as for 20", I'm not married to it, but the sound files make me think that 20" might be a good size for a crash used as a ride.
(Of course, I'd also crash it, but that's not the main feature I'm looking for.)
Interesting. I confess that I don't especially like this cymbal. Oh, it's OK, but it's not a cymbal I would want. Maybe this is because I played a cymbal like this back in the day and got tired of it.For anyone willing to throw down the cash, just to get done with the hunt, this is where it's at for me. I have a very similar one already, otherwise I might be all over this one:
It's damn hard to find 50-year-old Vintage Zildjian 20" cymbals that weigh under 2,000 grams, hell it's even harder to find ones that have the profile of a Crash. Well, every once in a while you get lucky. I'm happy to say that is exactly what we have right here. A thin, big, 20" Crash Ride...www.hazelshould.com