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Anyone know where I could get or what era spurrs and tension rods these use?

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Hey y’all,

Just about to get this kit delivered from a different state and just noticed that there is non original bass drum tension rods and I can’t see any spurrs it’s a 1960s mahogany poplar mahogany. Just wondered where I could get any or what era they are
 

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With the spurs, if they are missing, the hole pattern will determine what you need. A single larger hole on each side will indicate that you need the "disappearing" spurs. Two smaller holes on each side would be the fold out style (there were two variations). No holes would mean that these had hoop mounted spurs.

Bass drum claw and T rod design stayed the same from the mid 1950s to the late 1990s.
 

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With the spurs, if they are missing, the hole pattern will determine what you need. A single larger hole on each side will indicate that you need the "disappearing" spurs. Two smaller holes on each side would be the fold out style (there were two variations). No holes would mean that these had hoop mounted spurs.

Bass drum claw and T rod design stayed the same from the mid 1950s to the late 1990s.
That’s awesome thanks so much!
 

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Better pics would be helpful - particularly the badge. I'm unsure whether those are script logo Ludwig or perhaps WFL (both used keystone badges). Knowing which would help narrow down the date. That said, the reinforcement rings are really wide; like a <1955 Radio King, so my WAG is mid-to-late-fifties.

I believe WFL's had straight rod spurs . Ludwig had fold out spurs on sixties drums. As to where to get either, eBay, and aftermarket drum parts suppliers for "vintage" straight rod spurs; for fold-outs eBay, vintage drum shows, forums, etc. The fold out spur is not something one often sees for sale, but you never know. Congrats on your purchase.
 

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If its the 60’s style fold out spurs they are still available from ludwig, as are the t-rods and a slightly updated bracket for the spurs
 
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Better pics would be helpful - particularly the badge. I'm unsure whether those are script logo Ludwig or perhaps WFL (both used keystone badges). Knowing which would help narrow down the date. That said, the reinforcement rings are really wide; like a <1955 Radio King, so my WAG is mid-to-late-fifties.

I believe WFL's had straight rod spurs . Ludwig had fold out spurs on sixties drums. As to where to get either, eBay, and aftermarket drum parts suppliers for "vintage" straight rod spurs; for fold-outs eBay, vintage drum shows, forums, etc. The fold out spur is not something one often sees for sale, but you never know. Congrats on your purchase.
Okay awesome thank you so much for the info! Did some digging and wondering if maybe floor Tom legs with the vintage Fold out spurs from drum factory direct would work? Might have to measure up the holes to double check but could work? Here are some more photos, don’t appear to have any serial numbers?
 

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Inde mounts should work for both applications (floor tom leg mounts and fold out spur mounts) and also give you some isolation.

If this had the early style fold outs (one hole above the other) then you're pretty much confined to finding a vintage set or drilling new holes. If it's the more common style (2 holes horizontal from each other) then the Inde option will work as will the current version of the same Ludwig bracket.
 

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Inde mounts should work for both applications (floor tom leg mounts and fold out spur mounts) and also give you some isolation.

If this had the early style fold outs (one hole above the other) then you're pretty much confined to finding a vintage set or drilling new holes. If it's the more common style (2 holes horizontal from each other) then the Inde option will work as will the current version of the same Ludwig bracket.
Oo it’s coming in the mail so I’ll have to wait a few days to find out but I have both fingers crossed it’s the common one! Thanks heaps!
 

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Here are the two potential types of spurs if your drum was factory equipped with fold outs. The changeover between the two designs was right around 1961/62 so your new drums from that era could possibly have either. The later ones would be preferable as A: they work better (which isn't saying a lot as neither is an ideal design) and B: you can still get modern versions of these parts that will fit the same holes (and work somewhat better than the originals).

early... from the '59 catalog
59LD-P45 spur 1.jpg

If the drum had those you're kind of locked in as far as what will fit. If I remember right it uses two holes one above the other, but I haven't looked at one in a while so maybe it's just a single hole. If so you might be able to add 1 hole spaced right to use the later style.

later version from the '62 catalog used until the curved spurs came out around 1969...
LD62-55 spur 2.jpg



T-Rods

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Here are the two potential types of spurs if your drum was factory equipped with fold outs. The changeover between the two designs was right around 1961/62 so your new drums from that era could possibly have either. The later ones would be preferable as A: they work better (which isn't saying a lot as neither is an ideal design) and B: you can still get modern versions of these parts that will fit the same holes (and work somewhat better than the originals).

early... from the '59 catalog
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If the drum had those you're kind of locked in as far as what will fit. If I remember right it uses two holes one above the other, but I haven't looked at one in a while so maybe it's just a single hole. If so you might be able to add 1 hole spaced right to use the later style.

later from the '62 catalog used until the curved spurs came out around 1969...
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T-Rods

claws
Legend! These are super helpful links! Thanks heaps, I shall measure the holes and then decide if I should go with those or try and retrofit some of that indie hardware you mentioned also!

Thanks heaps for your help!
 

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Here's a view of the earlier version of the fold outs, as seen on my 1959 New Yorker set...

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Very nice kit! I see okay thank you, I’m yet to see the hole pattern as it’s being shipped as I type but could possibly even get a boilermaker to make something, doesn’t look to tricky. Just gotta get the right hole spacing!
 


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