Bands that needed to hire another drummer to record one track because their drummer wasn’t getting it right

[charlesm]

Tommy Taylor, the great drummer/singer for Christopher Cross, relayed the story here on DFO about them having difficulty getting a decent drum track on the eventual hit "Sailing", so the band hired Jeff Porcaro to play on it. (I believe the final take is Tommy, but the parts played were derived from Jeff's approach to the song.)

Can anyone identify this drummer...

Just wondering who the drummer is? Very tasteful playing...and a GREAT song. &feature=related

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This is a pic of Porcaro playing Taylor's Sonors with Tommy kneeling beside him.

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This is amazing. For a long time, I've had a suspicion that maybe Jeff was on that track. While it doesn't sound exactly like his playing, I'm not surprised to learn he at least had input into it. The sound, itself, is very him.

Also a great pic, presumably from the actual session.

 

[BBeyer]

Andy Newmark played on the final cut of Pink Floyd's The Final Cut. Like "Mother," it has time changes that Nick Mason either couldn't handle or couldn't be bothered to learn, depending on who you listen to.

Two suns in the sunset was the song, I think

 

[Highroller]

Although he did all the live performances, that's not Mick Avory you hear on the original recordings of old Kinks classics like You Really Got Me and Tired of Waiting For You. It's the late session player Bobby Graham, who also played on a ton of other UK produced records of that era. Sort of a UK version of Hal Blaine.

As I understand it, producer Shel Talmy didn't like Avory's playing style in general and wouldn't record him until the band's third album, and then only because the Davies brothers insisted on it.

 

[John DeChristopher]

Although he did all the live performances, that's not Mick Avory you hear on the original recordings of old Kinks classics like You Really Got Me and Tired of Waiting For You. It's the late session player Bobby Graham, who also played on a ton of other UK produced records of that era. Sort of a UK version of Hal Blaine.

As I understand it, producer Shel Talmy didn't like Avory's playing style in general and wouldn't record him until the band's third album, and then only because the Davies brothers insisted on it.

This is true. Clem Cattini and Bobby Graham were the Hal Blaine and Earl Palmer of the early British session scene.

 

[David Hunter]

It's kind of both. On You Can't Always Get What You Want, Charlie was there, but wasn't getting the feel that Jimmy Miller and Keith wanted. Jimmy got behind the drums to show him and they ended up getting a take. When they came back the next day, Charlie had it down, but they kept the take with Jimmy. They had moved on from that song.

Very true. Charlie showed that he had the feel of the song down pat when they played it live at the R&R Circus in Dec. 1968, a month after the basic tracks had been recorded with Jimmy Miller on drums.

 

[stevesmithfan]

Kiss Dynasty and Unmasked albums was replaced by Anton Fig.
Kiss Elder (Eric Carr) only one song called “I” was replaced by Alan Schwarzenbeg

 

[latzanimal]

It happens more than known....

I was brought in to record a song for an old guitar player. His current drummer played the rest of the tracks and he was nice enough to let me use his drums for the track....

 

[spelman]

Kiss Dynasty and Unmasked albums was replaced by Anton Fig.
Kiss Elder (Eric Carr) only one song called “I” was replaced by Alan Schwarzenbeg

* Allan Schwartzberg

 

[Russian Dragon]

I remember reading about a young Ged Lynch getting the call for a Peter Gabriel session, walking into the studio, looking at the board and seeing a strip labeled "Steve", knowing it was Gadd, and not immediately faking an injury or just bolting from the room and changing his phone number, as I would have done.

 

[Lamontsdad]

The original singer, guitar and I quit my old recording project and while I was replaced on every other tune, they couldn't duplicate my feel on a song that I had co-written, so my drum track is still there.

 

[storsav]

Steve Bowman out for Denny Fongheiser in, on Counting Crows' "Mr. Jones" always comes to mind. I love Steve's playing, but I guess they needed that song to be "perfect". Obviously a huge hit for them.

 

[Heartbeat]

Not just one track, but Deen Castronovo replaced Patty Schemel on Hole's "Celebrity Skin." Then Schemel left the band.

 

[JY Kelly]

Not just one track, but Deen Castronovo replaced Patty Schemel on Hole's "Celebrity Skin." Then Schemel left the band.

Two utter druggie nightmares. At least at that point.

 

[RyanLovesDrums]

Steve Bowman out for Denny Fongheiser in, on Counting Crows' "Mr. Jones" always comes to mind. I love Steve's playing, but I guess they needed that song to be "perfect". Obviously a huge hit for them.

I just read Denny did it in one take too. It also looks like he’s in the video

 

[Bun Carlos]

Although he did all the live performances, that's not Mick Avory you hear on the original recordings of old Kinks classics like You Really Got Me and Tired of Waiting For You. It's the late session player Bobby Graham, who also played on a ton of other UK produced records of that era. Sort of a UK version of Hal Blaine.

As I understand it, producer Shel Talmy didn't like Avory's playing style in general and wouldn't record him until the band's third album, and then only because the Davies brothers insisted on it.

Actually Mick is on some of the hits, including Tired Of Waiting. Re-issued CDs from a couple decades back have individual updated musician credits. Bobby Graham isn't on every single after all.

 

[thejohnlec]

Never have known story behind Steve Smith recording Heaven with Bryan Adams. It’s the only song on Reckless that he’s on.

I think Mickey Curry had something scheduled with Hall & Oates on the day of that session. Mickey was a session ace and wouldn’t have been replaced.

Speaking of Mickey, I’m pretty sure he sat in for Honeymoon Suite’s drummer on most if not all of there sessions.

 

[blueshadow]

I think Mickey Curry had something scheduled with Hall & Oates on the day of that session. Mickey was a session ace and wouldn’t have been replaced.

Speaking of Mickey, I’m pretty sure he sat in for Honeymoon Suite’s drummer on most if not all of there sessions.

Yeah pretty sure rest of the album was Curry. I remember the song sounding different/special and then finding out it was Smith of course I was already a fan at that point

 

[John DeChristopher]

I think Mickey Curry had something scheduled with Hall & Oates on the day of that session. Mickey was a session ace and wouldn’t have been replaced.

Speaking of Mickey, I’m pretty sure he sat in for Honeymoon Suite’s drummer on most if not all of there sessions.

That's exactly right. Mickey was working on "Heaven" with Bryan and the band in the studio but had to leave for a Hall & Oates rehearsal. He was juggling both major gigs at the time and up until then, never had a scheduling conflict.

Bryan Adams had been opening for Journey, and Bryan tracked Steve down at his hotel on their day off and asked him to come to the studio. By the time Mickey got back to the studio, they had the track. And the way Steve tells it, Bryan was looking for a drum track with a vibe similar to Journey's "Faithfully" and you can hear Steve borrowing from it. They both talk about it in their respective episodes of Live From My Drum Room (shameless plug, I know)

 

[notINtheband]

"Heaven" with Bryan and the band

Unrelated,
But the Summer of 1985 I was a lifeguard for a State Park pool.
The pools jukebox provided music for the whole facility.
That summer, first week of the season, the jukebox got stuck, and no matter what selection you chose, it would only play Heaven, by Bryan Adams.
A week in we unplugged the jukebox only to be told by the park Superintendent that we were contractually obligated as a facility to leave it plugged in until the vendor came to fix it.

So weeks went by and every time a patron put a quarter in, ‘Heaven’ would play, to the moans and boos of hundreds of pool guests, and especially the staff.

The vendor never came despite daily calls.
So a couple weeks before the end of the season, against the rules, we unplugged the jukebox and kept a watch for the Superintendent in case we were inspected.
To this day, myself and the other lifeguards from that Summer of 1985, cringe, swear, and laugh when the song comes on.
One of the female lifeguards married my good friend and we still talk about that song.
I can still hear her screaming at me from the other guard chair as the opening piano begins,
“ DAVE, I HATE THIS SONG DAVE!! I HATE IT!! I ******* HATE IT!!!!”

 

[RyanLovesDrums]

Unrelated,
But the Summer of 1985 I was a lifeguard for a State Park pool.
The pools jukebox provided music for the whole facility.
That summer, first week of the season, the jukebox got stuck, and no matter what selection you chose, it would only play Heaven, by Bryan Adams.
A week in we unplugged the jukebox only to be told by the park Superintendent that we were contractually obligated as a facility to leave it plugged in until the vendor came to fix it.

So weeks went by and every time a patron put a quarter in, ‘Heaven’ would play, to the moans and boos of hundreds of pool guests, and especially the staff.

The vendor never came despite daily calls.
So a couple weeks before the end of the season, against the rules, we unplugged the jukebox and kept a watch for the Superintendent in case we were inspected.
To this day, myself and the other lifeguards from that Summer of 1985, cringe, swear, and laugh when the song comes on.
One of the female lifeguards married my good friend and we still talk about that song.
I can still hear her screaming at me from the other guard chair as the opening piano begins,
“ DAVE, I HATE THIS SONG DAVE!! I HATE IT!! I ******* HATE IT!!!!”

Reminds me of when some guy told me years ago that if you ever want to drive people really crazy, go to a bar that has a jukebox and put the song “the end” by The Doors on repeat.