Billy Higgins Ride?

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Its called I have a disease.
Since there are no 12 Step programs in my are for cymbalholic disease my options are

1. Cold turkey stop buying . Keep what I have thats different (i still have 22 sabian manhattan, 22 legacy heavy and now this 2002 crash)

2. Literally find a support group for people who buy stuff they dont need.
Is there such a thing?

Nah. I dont have time.

3. Give away/ sell
 

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So. I cant use the "I'm too busy" excuse...for anything really.

I teach public school. We are on caronication until at least April1 but our superintendent thinks Cuomo will shut us down til end of April.

Point is I have plenty of time to get the drill out and slowly and carefully drill rivet holes.

Thoughts?

Some of you heard my 22" paiste signature mellow "billy higgins" ride.

It was great. Of course I sold it and buyer doesn't want to sell back.

He heard the youtube.com above and said the 2002 is actually darker sounding.

Anyway. Thoughts?

There is no returning if i drill. The cymbal looks brand new.

A few microscopic edge dents

I got it cheap...

Just thinking out loud.
 

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2002's are surprisingly dark. They have the reputation as being overly bright, but (other than a slight zing in the initial attack) they are very balanced light/dark, imo.

This one would sound incredible with one of your combo's. Drill, baby.
 

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So. I cant use the "I'm too busy" excuse...for anything really.

I teach public school. We are on caronication until at least April1 but our superintendent thinks Cuomo will shut us down til end of April.

Point is I have plenty of time to get the drill out and slowly and carefully drill rivet holes.

Thoughts?

Some of you heard my 22" paiste signature mellow "billy higgins" ride.

It was great. Of course I sold it and buyer doesn't want to sell back.

He heard the youtube.com above and said the 2002 is actually darker sounding.

Anyway. Thoughts?

There is no returning if i drill. The cymbal looks brand new.

A few microscopic edge dents

I got it cheap...

Just thinking out loud.
I recently started (resumed?) drilling holes into all of my valuables. Bout a box of 50 steel split rivets, nice medium-small size. So far have put 3 my 22" K Constantinople Medium Ride and am almost surprised how amazing the rsult is. That cymbal has a perfect click and shank but always lacked a bit of top-end shimmer and attack that the rivets bring out in spades. Also put 3 in my 22" AA Raw Ride and am similarly pleased, though that one was a great cymbal without them too. The 22" Kerope got 2 rivets, which was plenty. Not sure this one sounds any better than it did with the chain, but certainly not disappointed.

Need to stop or soon all my cymbals will be holy.


Oh, should also add that I still had a couple of larger Bosphorous brass split rivets lying around that I never really cared for, too heavy. Tried these out in the Kerope and they sound decent, sizzle at a similar frequency to the existing wash rather than higher pitch lighter sizzle of the steel. Still prefer the steel I think.
 

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Getting closer. The painter's tape is covering pencil marks 1.5" in.
Dont worry tape isnt prefect but the X marks are.

Spacing isnt 100% accurate but close enough for jazz?

My scienctist wife and son are freaking out cause all i used was a cloth tape measure :p


 

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Getting closer
I realize the painters tape is muting the cymbal a bit but it gets me pretty close. Obviously rivets will sustain more. These are the kind of heavy rivets I bought from Amazon.

Ill make a similar video lighter rivets. The ones in this video might be too heavy

On the left is my new bent up Paiste Traditional 22" swish I got in a trade here at DFO.

Nice an DARK!

This is your last chance to say NO Killian don't do it. Hah ha.


 

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How come it's always us who has the "last chance'..

ha;)
I like that cymbal on the left. What happened? Did you slip a ringer in there?.

I don't think you should drill it TK. Get rid of it now.
And get a/ trade it for/ a Paiste Traditional.

I think you can "pinstripe" "Put a vinyl roof" " put whitewalls" on that 2oo2....and it will still be a 2oo2 Crash

Stick to RIDES
that 2oo2 Crash doesn't "go" anywhere.. just sits on one note
 

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How come it's always us who has the "last chance'..

ha;)
I like that cymbal on the left. What happened? Did you slip a ringer in there?.

I don't think you should drill it TK. Get rid of it now.
And get a/ trade it for/ a Paiste Traditional.

I think you can "pinstripe" "Put a vinyl roof" " put whitewalls" on that 2oo2....and it will still be a 2oo2 Crash

Stick to RIDES
that 2oo2 Crash doesn't "go" anywhere.. just sits on one note
:D
 
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you know "these kids" aren't going to go for a cymbal with holes in it. They'll think "it's broken"..
"I can't buy that. It's broken"..
 

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Well I think Billy used a crash as a ride and his sound,imo, was one dimensional...but that was the beauty of it. That constant cushion...just sitting at that even dynamic level
 
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Let's get something Straight. BILLY HIGGINS didn't play no crash for Ride/ do u think Ed or Paiste would give him a crash for a ride? really really?
the one-dimensional you mention is -Paiste- we know that..Using a crash goes deeper than that..
You've danced around the 602 ride blue label? whatever- issue (issue being not YET buying a million of them..) and now you're trying to shove an oval peg in a round hole.

Ok so you got a 80$ ride (ok 180$ whatever) that remotely sounds like Higgins depending on where you stand in the room a couple ten 10ft away.
Fine . Good. You climbed that hill. You forded that stream. You painted that see-saw. Now. Sell it.
It's a freaking crash ::: )
Billy Higgins
you can't just pull certain notes out of it---well you can-- then leave the rest alone, but the one instance where your wrist just hits it a little off... it crashes.. and that'll be the buzz-kill..
 
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You need the perfect (old used doesn't need to be new) 602 next. But do want to fly, that close to the Sun Icarus?
 

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See Joe
Sometimes he used a 22" thin crash sometimes.
But yeah a 602. I do hear the difference...you are right about that

I like the Sweet Basil medium sound better anyway

You want to buy my 2002 crash?
 

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Ok. Good research.
Are you asking Joe if he wants to buy your 22" Crash 2oo2
you know me better than that--2oo2 belong in my 1976 past; I had SE hihats and 20s, 16 then found few out in the woods nearby from a selle.

Last year I went bonkers on preserial 602s with edge knicks and came up with 9 of them.

22, 18" flat.....those two sold

I have 7 left; an 18" china, 19" ride, 18" something three 14s including an SE bottom. And a 20" ride someone might make into a Billy Higgins Ornetter Ramblin' ride. 2325g no nicks excellent pre serial no ink


I had a couple months happiness with all of them. All are on craigslist

the 20"

18" Chiner

14SE

the 19"
 

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I had a vintage 22" 602 for a minute.
Horrible

Wasnt too heavy...2800 ish...but was all chimey and not dry at all.
 

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I had a vintage 22" 602 for a minute.
Horrible

Wasnt too heavy...2800 ish...but was all chimey and not dry at all.
the one I had was 2834g also BUT it had a chunk out...strangely (and goodly) at the 'top' away from play area. It was funky. dark and low like a Swiss oldKz..dry likely because of the chunk out.

I understand now what you're trying to do.
You're trying to get that clean sound of the 602 Billy used..
That's why I'm thinking 22" Traditional ride....next
for you not me...;)
 

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