Broadkaster 135th anniversary snare wire tension woes

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Hi all, over the last few gigs I've been using my 135th anniversary BK snare and I've had trouble with wires de-tentionning every 3-4 songs. At first I presumed it was the strings that weren't tight enough (switched to Canopus strings from stock plastic strap, drum is otherwise stock). But upon inspection they are installed nice and tight. I think the culprit may be the strainer's butt plate screw.
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Is this a common problem for Gretsch snares in general or BK's in particular? Any advise on how I'd go about fixing this?
 

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may have to put some of that special sauce (mechanics use..) on those threads.
There's no adjustment on the other side..or wait Is there? May have to balance the two.
Yea it's a Microsensitve. May have to balance the 2 sides (better or lucky etc..

You do look like you're kinda ' far down the Threads' on this Butt side. +/-

May have to drop this side down and Pull out further on Strainer side +/-
Haven't had a Micro in years didn't really love Butt side was the four-point taller one) Oh Boy

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OR a lock nut on this Butt side. Some type of 'Stopper' It CAN be done

Right down on top of it. Double twist-the two. to Lock (they should INCLUDE that...
Just gotta find the thread and the clearance from shell (I'm thinking a wing/nut..

Another same..oh boy..
 

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may have to put some of that special sauce (mechanics use..) on those threads.
There's no adjustment on the other side..or wait Is there? May have to balance the two.
Yea it's a Microsensitve. May have to balance the 2 sides (better or lucky etc..

You do look like you're kinda ' far down the Threads' on this Butt side. +/-

May have to drop this side down and Pull out further on Strainer side +/-
Haven't had a Micro in years didn't really love Butt side was the four-point taller one) Oh Boy

Good Luck
Yeah there's an adjustment on the lever side, and I agree that it looks like the butt side is close to the end of its threads.
I try to balance the 2 sides, get a good tone, but after a few songs, I start hearing the wires more and more and I have to mess with the adjusting screws again.

A locknut might do it, or maybe a screw with a nylon locking sleeve?
 

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actually "another" adjust nut (upside down or not) like that one (would be convenient may do it too (pretty thick tho)

but where /how/ and who knows how you'd acquire it (G dealer parts book..
(double it up) it's a shame..

"too much vintage/retro goin on"-
Senator Hollings (1979)
 

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actually "another" adjust nut (upside down or not) like that one (would be convenient may do it too (pretty thick tho)

but where /how/ and who knows how you'd acquire it (G dealer parts book..
(double it up) it's a shame..

"too much vintage/retro goin on"-
Senator Hollings (1979)
Worst case scenario I have a machinist livng a few doors down from my house, so I could have one fabricated. Might not look great, but it would work, at least.
 

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Hi all, over the last few gigs I've been using my 135th anniversary BK snare and I've had trouble with wires de-tentionning every 3-4 songs. At first I presumed it was the strings that weren't tight enough (switched to Canopus strings from stock plastic strap, drum is otherwise stock). But upon inspection they are installed nice and tight. I think the culprit may be the strainer's butt plate screw. View attachment 523312

Is this a common problem for Gretsch snares in general or BK's in particular? Any advise on how I'd go about fixing this?
Before you go modifying the strainer try JDA's suggestion of ensuring the sides are evenly set up, and don't discount the loctite ( mechanics special sauce) idea either. Loctite comes in several grades now and it's color coded for different applications, there's even one that penetrates threads that are already engaged. The one I'm referring to for your issue is made specifically to hold but able to be " broken" when the adjustment must be changed such as new wires being installed...so it will hold your screws till you want to remove them
 

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Easy way to check which side is loosening up, is to put a small piece of tape or blue tac to the screw's side, memorize their positions and start playing until you feel the snares are loosening. Then check if the markings are in different place.

Have you checked that the strings/strips are tightly attached to the strainer and buttplate? Only one bit loose screw can let the string get loose, and loosen the snare tension.
 

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Love the finish on that drum, would love to see a better pic!
What is the size?
It is a 6.5x14 and the finish is called Mahoganny ribbon. This particular snare is a one-off factory error. It came outfitted with 302 stick chopper hoops instead of the stock 301 straight hoops.

I've recently emptied my phone of unwanted clutter so I don't have pics at the ready. And the snare is loaded in the van. I know I've posted pics of it here on DFO at some point, can't remember what thread it was in... Probably the "recent drums purchase" one... I will redo some pics during my next soundcheck (3 days from now).
 

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I have a Broadkaster in piano black lacquer, 8x14 eight lug with the 302 hoops, I don’t think I know about the 301’s??
 

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301's are straight hoops with Clips (like 1920s/30s etc drums


@pedro navahas

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and that's the "Dark Emerald" ribbon
135th anniversary

 
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I have a Broadkaster in piano black lacquer, 8x14 eight lug with the 302 hoops, I don’t think I know about the 301’s??
Like Joe said: 301 are straight hoops and the 135th aniversary BK snare came with those originally.

I got this snare from a Gretsch dealer who had a client bring back a snare with a factory defect (don't remember what the model or issue was). They sent said snare to Gretsch, repair was made, but there was still something wrong with it, or in any case it was not repaired to this picky client's standards, so instead of repairing again, Gretsch replaced/upgraded it with this limited edition 135th anniv. BK outfitted with 302's because that's what was on the other snare. The client didn't even pick it up from the shop since, in the mean time, he had become soured w/Gretsch and enamored w/Sonor. So he traded in his Gretsch kit for a Sonor Vintage and I got to pick this orphan beauty up, virtually un-played.
 

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301's are straight hoops with Clips (like 1920s/30s etc drums


@pedro navahas

View attachment 523376

and that's the "Dark Emerald" ribbon
135th anniversary

So the 135 anniversary is pretty much the floor show that was discussed in the thread a few weeks back?
That emerald green is stunning!
 

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the 135th are two full snare and sets one in Green one in Red as dsad has
the Gretsch-EU website is always fun; has "different" pictures than the USA website.


 
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Ya know just when I think I’m set with gear something like this comes along!
Makes me want to go back to having only one kit and use it for everything.
 


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