Rick, Meinl’s are fairly consistent but two handmade Turkish cymbals of the same model are never going to sound the same. Things like air humidity and temperature the time a cymbal is made can affect its sound and colour. That’s both the beauty AND problem with hand made cymbals.Those might be the nicest Meinl cymbals I have ever heard . Wonder how consistent they are sound wise
Agree - they sound nice, and right on with the critical element of consistency. There are no lack of nice-sounding cymbals on the market from all the companies. In my experience, finding a keeper is the challenge with most companies. Many of us do not have access to large collections for the purposes of auditioning to find a “good one.” I like Meinl as a company as they make good cymbals IMHO, but they need to be darn close to available sound samples to be in the running for me - Paiste close. I am rooting for Meinl to make that happen.Those might be the nicest Meinl cymbals I have ever heard . Wonder how consistent they are sound wise
Sounds to me like a 20" or 22" with no port hole and no muffling pillow. Just 2 powerstroke heads with the resonant looser than the batter and medium low in general. The shell resonates well and it sounds great. Good drummer and good micing/recording helps ; ]The more important question is, what size bass drum is Benny Greb playing in that video? 28"? 32"? Does he have some crazy pedal setup hooked up to a 40" marching drum off camera?
Have a reference for this as regards Paiste? Because it sure is different from what Paiste themselves say:Diril makes these for them in Turkey as well as the Masters line for Paiste.
This is from 2009. It related to the Paiste Twenty series only, and the change of suppler happened a few years before the switch to the Twenty Masters (2011) which are just called Masters now. There are some unpleasant emails from Murat Diril claiming he made the Pasite Twenty cymbals completely and Paiste is lying. I won't get into that (although I do have all the emails for archive purposes), but I will point out that the timeline is clear enough that Diril was out as a supplier well before the Twenty Masters came on the scene.I’ve received some information about rumors travelling around the world on internet blogs and forums, regarding our Twenty Series. I thought it might be a good idea to make our side of the story public. Because I do not believe in marketing BS, I will keep it brief and to the point:
Paiste received raw materials, specifically unfinished goods, from Murat and Ibrahim Diril in Turkey. We then hammered and lathed this material to make Paiste cymbals, the Twenty series. It is not true that Twenty cymbals were made entirely by Diril, or that we just applied logos to “finished cymbals” received from them.
Unfortunately, what we are dealing with is a disgruntled supplier, who has lost both Paiste and another cymbal company as customers. Be that as may be, I still wish them well for the future.
We discontinued our relationship with the Diril brothers because of quality problems. A significant portion of the raw materials received did not conform to our standards, resulting in cymbals we had to destroy after our final quality control inspection. We had no choice but to wind up the relationship.
We will continue to offer the Twenty series, we will not discontinue it, and we will ensure that our customary quality and consistency applies. That’s the bottom line.
Any questions or comments are welcome to my attention at firstname.lastname@example.org.
My deep appreciation to all our fans and supporters for allowing us to continue to make great cymbals.
My information might be outdated regarding Paiste Masters... quite possible.Have a reference for this as regards Paiste? Because it sure is different from what Paiste themselves say:
This is from 2009. It related to the Paiste Twenty series only, and the change of suppler happened a few years before the switch to the Twenty Masters (2011) which are just called Masters now. There are some unpleasant emails from Murat Diril claiming he made the Pasite Twenty cymbals completely and Paiste is lying. I won't get into that (although I do have all the emails for archive purposes), but I will point out that the timeline is clear enough that Diril was out as a supplier well before the Twenty Masters came on the scene.
The situation may be different for Meinl, I don't have information on that. But it does seem like this new Byzance line is being marketed as 100% made in Turkey, while the previous Byzance lines didn't have that in the marketing. That could suggest Meinl were previously receiving blanks or partially finished cymbals and then tuning them up at the factory in Germany. Have Meinl changed suppliers as well for this new Byzance Foundry Reserve Made in Turkey line? Did they change suppliers for the Byzance some years back as Paiste did?
I agree that when I looked at the catalog picture of the new Byzance Foundry Reserve Made in Turkey line, I immediately thought "K Zildjian Constantinoples" right down to the pits in the pressed in bells. Nice sounds too.