Can Any Zildjmaster ID this Naked K Model?

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Can anyone school me as to the model or series of this 20” K flat ride? There is no ink. The laser stamp dates it to 1997. Weight is about 2100 g. Rivet hole drilling is a wee rough, so perhaps after market. Hammering is small circles.

Your knowledge or estimate is appreciated.

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I’m no master, but from my understanding, Zildjian discontinued regular K flat rides around ‘97, transitioning them to the K Custom line. The K Con and K Light Flats are from the 2000s.

The EAK/IAK eras of Ks (of which I know nearly nothing) were over by ‘97.
 

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Agree, looks like the K Custom dark lathing/post-lathing hammering. However, the K Custom flat ride lost the "Dark" in its name, even though it clearly belongs to that series.
 

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Did the over-hammering on these change at some point? OP pictures look like round hammer marks compared to the smaller deeper hammering on the later KCFTR.
 

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Yeah looks like a K Custom to me. They had a hazy-looking surface along with the uniform hammering, etc.
 

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Thanks so much for the help here.

The round hammering is what was confusing me as I, like deegeebee, thought the Custom series had deeper angular hammer marks.

I got it for $172, which means it came in below what I’d allotted, and beneath budget detection. Below & Beneath, that’s the goal.

Sure fills a gap in my ride stable.
 

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Thanks so much for the help here.

The round hammering is what was confusing me as I, like deegeebee, thought the Custom series had deeper angular hammer marks.

I got it for $172, which means it came in below what I’d allotted, and beneath budget detection. Below & Beneath, that’s the goal.

Sure fills a gap in my ride stable.
Budget detection?! Haha. Secret ride purchase eh?
 

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they do. like sideways 'scuff' marks..
hammering is like rolled on to it little sideways rolls scuffs
little sideways scruffs

Thanks—that’s a good description. This one has more straight-on ball peen/round look on top of the lathing, but appears from the consensus of feedback here that it can only be a Custom.
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Did we ever sort this out? This one is a '98 serial number and looks quite different. Could it be a strait K flat of some sort?
 

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Deegeebee, mine definitely looks different than your example, which is a year younger, so now I am still curious all over again.
 

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Hmm.......the hammer marks do look a little different, but I didn't think they were as pronounced on the regular K.........
 

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My original post was referencing zenstat’s timeline:


According to this, K Zildjian Flats were in production from ‘84-‘96. K Custom Flats started in ‘98.

Your cymbal is a real head scratcher. If I had to guess, it’s a regular K Zildjian.
Maybe? Anyone have a later K series flat ride to compare? Lathing/hammering doesn't look much like the "EAK" examples I can find on reverb:


I think it must be some sort of early KCFTR prototype before they settled on the over-hammering. The timeline fits, and I agree it looks like K Custom lathing, just different hammer. Maybe there never was any ink.
 
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