Have to agree - much cleaner rolls with traditional grip -- but switched to matched grip - easier to reach all parts of the kit (especially for an old guy like me).I've always had a decent roll since the junior high. In switching to fully matched grip the past 2 yrs....lost a bit of it. So a good reminder to keep mixing in the traditional grip from time to time....and those rolls. My rolls are considerably cleaner with traditional grip. That probably won't ever change.
Exactly. I made the switch 2 yrs ago to be able to play large concert tom kits. That just was too hard at my age with traditional. At the same time I don't want to lose any of that fine finger control with my traditional left hand. So a couple sessions a month keep it fluid. You see many clips of the older jazz/fusion drummers shifting grips in the middle of their songs. Depends what they needed right then. Matched grip is so much easier for me to play left hand rim shots on both snare and small tom. I've never been very accurate doing that with traditional.Have to agree - much cleaner rolls with traditional grip -- but switched to matched grip - easier to reach all parts of the kit (especially for an old guy like me).
The forearm pumping technique is needed to play very fast doubles and leads directly to the same forearm pumping used to play a closed roll. Check out Bill Bachman’s explanation of the three techniques needed to play an open roll depending on tempo.A teacher I studied with really opened my eyes with her approach to open and closed rolls - that they are two mostly separate techniques. The closed roll is not a continuation of, or the next step in learning the open roll. She taught that the open roll is primarily wrist and fingers with very little forearm involvement, and the closed roll is just the opposite. It worked very well for me, and the more I watched players of all genres I found that that's what they were doing as well.
This was my first thought when I saw this thread. Yea, I can definitely play a roll. Every high school football game, just me and the trumpet player were the opening act. Him playing the anthem, and me holding that roll through the whole thing. Fortunately, he was a great trumpet player and it was fun. And yes, I used crescendos when the rockets glared and bombs burst in the air.Obviously, by asking this question, you've never played our national anthem.
Alex Duthart eh?I can play a solid roll, press, closed and open but I was in pipe and drum corps so had to dial it in for that.
I agree with your last paragraph entirely which was concise and well written.
You are a drummer; learn how to do a decent roll.
The difference is that the double stroke roll, even with forearm pumping, utilizes much more wrist and fingers than the technique for a closed roll. Still two different techniques.The forearm pumping technique is needed to play very fast doubles and leads directly to the same forearm pumping used to play a closed roll. Check out Bill Bachman’s explanation of the three techniques needed to play an open roll depending on tempo.