Can you tell which Zildjian stamp is this?

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I am not talking about seeing 3 dots in this photo but is this a large stamp based on the dimensions on this 22” ride? Possibly mid 50’s or 60’s large stamp?
All I know this is a 22” vintage A.

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How about this one? Is this a large stamp?
This one is a 22” also, obviously it is not a block stamp, just want to know if it’s a large stamp.

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How about this one? Is this a large stamp?
This one is a 22” also, obviously it is not a block stamp, just want to know if it’s a large stamp.

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At a glance it appears so. Measure to easily verify when possible, 50s Large stamps measure 2” while a 60s tall is 1.5”. Other stamp, lathing, and hammering attributes exist to separate the two and the Dr. Black (Zenstat) literature is the recommended guide for stamp classification.
 

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It appears to have 50s style lathing and hammering. That just might be enough to go on. For me those are better tells than stamp when it comes to sound. At this point I’d be more interested in weight than stamp height.
 

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It appears to have 50s style lathing and hammering. That just might be enough to go on. For me those are better tells than stamp when it comes to sound. At this point I’d be more interested in weight than stamp height.
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You can tell a large stamp pretty easily from the back side too. The wide stamp "through" on the reverse side (or ghost image) is easy to see from far away.
The medium weights and lower usually show that feature.
 
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According to Bill Hartrick, and based on several Large Stamps I've owned and measured myself, the height of the stamp typically measures 1 3/4", but may be as much as 2" high (a two-part die was used so variations occurred).
 

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while the three dots in the vintage stamp is generally called a “60s” cymbal, years don’t line up exactly with the decade. I would say 1968-1972 on that one.

edit -IMPORTANT NOTE - when the Zildjian was marked and when it was made can sometimes be years apart (think “1954” stamp).

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