coated diplomats on the bottom, any difference?

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I've been following the "Sounds like a drum" yt videos, and I liked the sound in the "thin resonant head" video.
I use a Gretsch New Classic bop kit, and I tune on the high side, typical bop tuning. I had been using clear bottom heads forever, thinking they give me the most resonance. Based on the video, I got some 12" and 14" coated Diplomats to try - and I liked the change. I think I finally feel/hear a difference with coated reso heads, for the better.
Curious as I am, I now tried a coated Ambassador on the bottom of the 12", made a short a/b video and I can't hear a difference! Seems likecoated instead of clear (which was quite a move for me) makes more of a difference than the thickness. I like the idea of easier response at low volume, but the difference seems neglectable.
Has anyone ever tried coated Diplomatsas tom resos? What are your thoughts?
 

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I tried thin coated reso heads on a kit I built recently. I wanted a quieter less resonant sound for use in small rooms,.. café type setting. I always used clear heads on reso before.. but I like these.. much more controlled
 

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I haven't tried a coated reso yet. Alll 5 of my Catalina Maple toms have coated Pins over clear Dips. My Cat snare has a coated Ambassador Vintage over a hazy snare Dip. I think I'll give one a try. How thick are coated Dips? IIRC clear Dips are like 7mil.
 

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How thick are coated Dips? IIRC clear Dips are like 7mil.
Good question. How thick is the coating? 1mil, 2mil? It's never mentioned as a factor (as opposed to the Fiberskyn coating, for example).

Coated bottom heads in general: I used to think they'd only change the decay time of the fundamental, but they also seem to influence the overtones of the batter head. Less high-edn, more mid-range. Coated or clear, Amby or Dip., it all seems rather subtle; room etc. probably make a bigger difference.
 

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Diplomat on the bottom will have a bit less lower frequency content.
I was gonna say. If you switch, and you hear this weird high end overtone that you haven’t heard before. It’s your bottom heads
The thing is, I made an a/b recording of the 12" and couldn't tell them apart (coated Amby vs. dip). And cholics know I'm not tonedeaf ;)
In general I think you don''t hear many overtones from the bottom head if you tune really even. Apropos tuning, there might be a bigger effect at lower tunings, triple flange hoops etc. I might make an a/b soundfile of the whole kit for you to judge.
 

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Hey Seb,
I think this is an interesting observation you posted. I'm interested particularly in this idea:

"Coated bottom heads in general: I used to think they'd only change the decay time of the fundamental, but they also seem to influence the overtones of the batter head. Less high-edn, more mid-range."

That sounds like a very desirable trait to me. Thanks for posting!
 

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The thing is, I made an a/b recording of the 12" and couldn't tell them apart (coated Amby vs. dip). And cholics know I'm not tonedeaf ;)
In general I think you don''t hear many overtones from the bottom head if you tune really even. Apropos tuning, there might be a bigger effect at lower tunings, triple flange hoops etc. I might make an a/b soundfile of the whole kit for you to judge.
Yeah. Admittedly I only tried dips one time and that was 20 years ago at least
 

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Some times I really miss the olden days....lol....

Snare side-hazy
Diplomat-coated
Ambassador-coated
Emperor-coated
Black Dots

Oh wait, for you whippersnappers-"Pin Stripes".

Hard to go wrong or BROKE working up a head combo back then.

Worse thing that could happen? You wind up with a Black Dot or a Pin Stripe reso...lol. And we learned how to make it work-we bad no choice. Not like you could run out and buy a set of Evans to "try out"!

(Yes, I *know* we also had the various Ludwig Weathermaster offerings back then as well. But pretty much fell into the same categories as above iircc).
 

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A very nice combination, which seems to have been overlooked by most, is Clear Ambassador batter, over Coated Ambassador resonant. That's the ticket right there! Trust me, you'll love it.
 

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A very nice combination, which seems to have been overlooked by most, is Clear Ambassador batter, over Coated Ambassador resonant. That's the ticket right there! Trust me, you'll love it.
Funny, I have never tried that.

Looking at 12" Rogers Tower tom that could use some attention.

I will give it a try.

Thanks for the heads up D.
 

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A very nice combination, which seems to have been overlooked by most, is Clear Ambassador batter, over Coated Ambassador resonant. That's the ticket right there! Trust me, you'll love it.
I have a clear Emperor over a Coated Diplomat on my Ludwig floor tom and it's been great.
 

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I'm currently using the odd combination of clear Pinstripe batters over coated Ambassador resos and I love the tones I'm getting! It's not something I would have tried on my own, but that's what was on the kit when I bought it and to my surprise they sounded great!
 

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The diplomat reso sound is not for me, at least not with coated Ambs or Emps on top. It's just too short a sustain for my taste with overtones that aren't as pleasing to me. I understand why some of you like them though.
 

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