drumtimejohn
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Please show pictures of your drum, strainer, butt plate, wires, top, bottom, sides, interior, etc. What’s a silver P85? Pics please.
I’m hearing you are asking others for pictures of a similar drum yet have not shared you own. Will you be sharing pictures of your drum and the “silver P85”?Thanks @K.O. I tend to agree with your thinking! Per the usual Ludwig policy of substitution to get product out the door, this snare has substitution of bow-tie lugs, silver P-85 vs. silver/black P-85, and cast hoops. The timeline for these items should play into the discussion/ but ...all of these could have been replaced...
First production would be perfect for my collection. ....Since I already own either the oldest NOS Ludwig and Ludwig brass snare (or a generic built for Lyon & Healy to retail / before Ludwig used their name on all products) ...and an aluminium badge/ pat. pend./prototype feature 1937 brass WFL snare ...I'm OK with the alternate view, too. I may just keep rather than sell this drum!
Is this your drum and ad?The (identical drum to yours) drum is currently listed on eBay. I can't do a link for ethical reasons:
I’m hearing you are asking others for pictures of a similar drum yet have not shared you own. Will you be sharing pictures of your drum and the “silver P85”?
I did not say that was a known fact. I said that is one theory for why the switch in lugs occurred. I proposed another theory (That the Ludwigs wanted "their" lug design on the anniversary drums). Neither theory is known to be the truth as far as I know.Thanks @K.O. I did not know that Ludwig Chicago ran out of Imperial Lugs just before the move to Monroe. That is news!
This drum actually appears to have been archived. The special padded case looks factory ...and still looks new! Someone must have thought a lot of this drum, to put it up so well. I would have played it to death in the eighties.
Mostly, I wanted to show pictures of the cool case. I was gonna dump the drum and reuse the case. Not so much, anymore...
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This drum actually appears to have been archived. The special padded case looks factory ...and still looks new! Someone must have thought a lot of this drum, to put it up so well. I would have played it to death in the eighties.
Mostly, I wanted to show pictures of the cool case. I was gonna dump the drum and reuse the case. Not so much, anymore...
Yup. I've got one with factory bowties as well. Chicago keystone badge w/ serial number in a hole drilled for B&O badge.I hate to burst anyone's bubble on all this but I just don't see a supra that was outfitted with classic lugs as anything all that special. Ludwig ran out of imperial lugs and they used a lug that was meant to go on an acrolite. This look actually reminds me of some of the cheaper steel rocker snares Ludwig made later on. I bet that it does sound great though. I had a 5x14 that was pieced together with various parts as I got the shell and lugs for nothing. I added a chrome faced P-85 as well as the hoops and it sounded really good.
Now I know Ludwig had a few snares that were chrome plated over the 75th anniversary engraving, leaving the trace of the engraving in the chrome. Those were also fitted with classic lugs and that's something that I find to be quite rare and valuable. I would personally probably be bummed to find a supra with classic lugs as I much prefer them how they were intended. That's just me though.
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No. I have not heard anything to support that this drum was among the last assembled in Chicago. It seems like it may have been assembled in Charlotte.View attachment 566668
Thanks for your input.
This Supraphonic doesn’t have a serial number but is a Chicago keystone badge. I was told it was among the last assembled in Chicago. I need the experts to weigh in …if this is possibly because the number stamping equipment had already been sent to Monroe.
The drum further has bow-tie lugs and cast hoops. Everything else is normal 80’s Supra and nothing appears altered. Could this confirm or add plausibility to being built up from leftover parts? The lugs do appear original.
I’m selling this (at a reasonable price as I was directed to it at a resonable price) but don’t wish to spread falsehood in the community. Let me know if you’ve heard of something similar… Thanks again!
This is officially the first K4 Chicago stamped no serial number badge Ludwig ever made. It also happens to be the last because it was archived in a box and shipped to Monroe before being released. As a result, it’s likely the first drum to leave the Monroe plant. This is verified by the blistering which is the result of moving a Ludaloy shell from a fresh water region to salt. It has regular triple flange hoops on it now.
What in the world leads you to believe that the blistering is caused by moving a drum from a fresh to salt water environment????
Further, since when has Monroe been moved from SW NC to the coast?????? Your "theory" has zero basis in fact!
The sarcasm was pretty clear to me.Honestly I thought this was a joke? That's how I originally read it anyway.