Confirmation of last Chicago built Supraphonics

[rsq911]

Here are my 84’s:
6.5x14 anniversary
5x14 supraphonic bowtie
No numbers

 

[drumtimejohn]

What in the world leads you to believe that the blistering is caused by moving a drum from a fresh to salt water environment????

Further, since when has Monroe been moved from SW NC to the coast?????? Your "theory" has zero basis in fact!

The phenomenon is the result of the Prop Stream, a wind current below the Jet Steam that moves air from East to West. It was first discovered by the Wright Brother in their work in the Outer Banks and is now host to many Cessna style aircraft. The relationship between the Prop and Jet Stream produces convection pulling moisture from the Atlantic and rebounding off the Appalachians. This environment is prime for bending and shaping wood. Ludwig and Gretsch have know this for years. Unfortunately, Ludwig quickly learned about the negative impact on Ludaloy shells imported from the Midwest.

 

[drumtimejohn]

@drumtimejohn ...Are these pictures of a late Chicago era snare that you own?
I would like to archive them...

I purchased it on DFO for $112.50, replaced the heads, wires, strainer (P86), and hoops and eventually sold it for $200. It sounded like any Supra I’ve played. The pictures are of the drum when I owned it. For historical value, it did not have internal Ludaloy stamp/markings or the blue Ludwig sticker.

 

[rpludwig]

The phenomenon is the result of the Prop Stream, a wind current below the Jet Steam that moves air from East to West. It was first discovered by the Wright Brother in their work in the Outer Banks and is now host to many Cessna style aircraft. The relationship between the Prop and Jet Stream produces convection pulling moisture from the Atlantic and rebounding off the Appalachians. This environment is prime for bending and shaping wood. Ludwig and Gretsch have know this for years. Unfortunately, Ludwig quickly learned about the negative impact on Ludaloy shells imported from the Midwest.
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Well, having distributed EXTERIOR metal products for more than 40 years, I would argue your theory and documentation may be convincing (to some) but has been disproven in the field in our experience.

Any metallic product sold (by us) for coastal applications (typically aluminum), is AAMA 2605 rated (aka Kynar) and performs quite well on the coast (although not mandated by code). We continue to specify it inland as an option (80-100 miles) inland, few select it, but opt for AAMA 2604 which has been performing quite well for many, many years. A snare drum in a box in Monroe is 180 miles from the coast, is in an indoor conditioned space and clearly not subject to atmospheric conditions, be it fresh or salt air.

I believe the cause of Supra blisters has been researched and discussed ad nauseum for at least 25-30 years that I've been here dating back to Harry's site. Quite simply aluminum and the chrome process Ludwig was out sourcing didn't get along too well.

Guess we can agree to disagree on all this, certainly not worth my time, but when I see a comment like yours I feel compelled to call it out.

Cheers,
R.

 

[drumtimejohn]

Here’s my source:

The Onion | America's Finest News Source.

The Onion brings you all of the latest news, stories, photos, videos and more from America's finest news source.

www.theonion.com

 

[rpludwig]

Here’s my source:

The Onion | America's Finest News Source.

The Onion brings you all of the latest news, stories, photos, videos and more from America's finest news source.

www.theonion.com

OH MY!!!! No wonder it was such an extraordinary claim!!!!

(the Onion is good for comic relief, not much else factual)

 

[flatwins]

This thread has it all!

 

[Tama CW]

This thread has it all!

For sure. Now if only a poll could be fit in here somewhere to top it all off....................

 

[flatwins]

For sure. Now if only a poll could be fit in here somewhere to top it all off....................

Or a “top 10” list!

 

[Muns]

That's called zero pride in your work

Yes. Looks cheap. A sad ending.

 

[flatwins]

It's neither a collectible nor is it any more valuable than a standard drum from that time period. Mainly because it's trivial to fake it.

I’d have to agree; faking an 80s Supra would be akin to faking a Timex watch.

 

[Commodore]

I’d have to agree; faking an 80s Supra would be akin to faking a Timex watch.

I agree!

 

[drumtimejohn]

Perhaps it’s the ethics police primarily reflecting the changing of parts and posts (edit/delete), as well as, misrepresentation of the drum not it’s price. Yet if it helps I’m tracking 1299, 899, 449, and now 499. The hoops are likely half the value and those could be had for $150 shipped on DFO this year.

 

[Commodore]

Perhaps it’s the ethics police primarily reflecting the changing of parts and posts (edit/delete), as well as, misrepresentation of the drum not it’s price. Yet if it helps I’m tracking 1299, 899, 449, and now 499. The hoops are likely half the value and those could be had for $150 shipped on DFO this year.

What are you? I was offered $300 for them when the listing began.

You've taken over this thread, been stupid and judgemental.

Nobody misrepresented anything ...I just asked a question.


I need some help, here! You're following me like a Proctologist...

 

[1988fxlr]

You have a late chicago built supra. You might want to change the title from “confirmation of last” to “very late” to get less flack. There is zero reason to believe this drum was the last out of Chicago and since there would be a collector mark up if such a thing were true, or prove able, feathers get ruffled

 

[Commodore]

You have a late chicago built supra. You might want to change the title from “confirmation of last” to “very late” to get less flack. There is zero reason to believe this drum was the last out of Chicago and since there would be a collector mark up if such a thing were true, or prove able, feathers get ruffled

Thanks. Will do. Right now, It now says "among the last." This guy is acting like some kind of a stawk...er.

He's following every change in an offsite ad.

 

[drumtimejohn]

What are you? I was offered $300 for them when the listing began.

You've taken over this thread, been stupid and judgemental.

Nobody misrepresented anything ...I just asked a question.


I need some help, here! You're following me like a Proctologist...

GLWS.

 

[1988fxlr]

Thanks. Will do, This guy is some kind of a stawk..er

We’re all strangers on the internet nerding out about drums. Lets try to keep the personal stuff to a minimum

 

[Commodore]

We’re all strangers on the internet nerding out about drums. Lets try to keep the personal stuff to a minimum

Good point! I sincerely apologize to all concerned.

 

[rsq911]

The badges were high because the grommet hole was set up for blue olive, not the new large keystone. They used bowties, the shells could pit/did pit, the cast hoops were awesome, the badges had numbers and didn’t have numbers, in all honesty, I love this era of Ludwig!
The snares sound great and it is a drum, hit it and enjoy I say! Price, smice. The history and mystic is cool.

I paid $125 for the 5” and $175 for the 6.5 anniversary one.

And yes, I put a millennium p-86 on the 5”…..