Could this be why some find a click track unnatural feeling and lifeless?

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Read about how they must artificially speed some parts up, and slow others down.
Again, my only concern is for young drummers that are hoping to glean information at how to become a successful, professional musician by reading forums such as this. If one wants to do that, assuming you are not going to be one of the very small percentage of musicians that “makes it” as a member of one band for your entire career, you have to learn to play to a click.

You may disagree with the need for a click and that is fine, but that is akin to saying the only “real” cars are cars with manual transmissions and the only “real” drivers are those that can drive them. That is a fine opinion, but it doesn’t change the fact that the overwhelming majority of cars are automatic and most drivers cannot drive a stick. Your opinion doesn’t change that.

I promise you, from my experience working with hundreds of high level artists, if a drummer walks into an audition with just about any national level artist and insists they don’t play to a click, the audition will absolutely be over before it starts. That does not account for some styles of music of course, but if you want to work in rock, pop, country, gospel, roots, etc. at a national level, you had best learn to kick some serious rear end to a click.

I appreciate people’s desire to do their thing. I do not think that a click is required to produce good music by any stretch of the imagination. What I do know is why artists and producers use clicks and those reasons are extremely varied and extremely important and fall far beyond any one musician’s desire to express their particular abilities. Young and upcoming musicians need to know that.
 

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..at least from the drum throne
You know we have to control those wild drummers everyone knows they can go off at any moment and can't be trusted ; /
we can't leave decisions and direction up to them!
; ) ;;? lol

O that's just mean

 

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You know we have to control those wild drummers everyone knows they can go off at any moment can't be trusted ; /
So we can make sure shi""ty drummers make for boring mediocre drummers... And, potentially make exciting drummers not too competitive. Its become musical socialism. Control freaks win.
 

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Freedom 's disappearing incrementally ; )
That is how it happens. Control freaks don't care what it is. If it can be controlled, they get their rocks off. They are the superiors in their own eyes and will offer self justifications for their need to control. Music is about life. Music can inspire the feeling of freedom... or conformity. Creativity is best when its unpredictable and solves the problem in a new way. Makes you smile when you see it done.
 

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Creativity is best when its unpredictable and solves the problem in a new way.
Yes. And we all know creativity establishes and abides boundaries. Some function best where their are more limitations and less chance of floundering repetitiveness.
 

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Yes. And we all know creativity establishes and abides boundaries. Some function best where their are more limitations and less chance of floundering repetitiveness.
Great point. If you're designing pop music, most of which is based on rhythmic repetition, I guess most creators don't want their work mangled by human error.
 

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Usually the entire band gets the click. For one thing, there are parts of some songs the drummer doesn't play. You're going to trust guitarists and singers to keep you in time while you lay out? :). Second, there are occasions where you might play with backing tracks, midi controlled stage lighting, keyboard sequences, automatic guitar effects changes . All that stuff would be a disaster without everyone having the click in their ear.

I know there are some bands that only have the drummer playing to a click, but I would hate that. Time is everyone's responsibility, not just the drummer's.
The click gigs I've had, I was the only one with it. When I had rests I just kept time on the hats while otherwise silently hating the gig.
 

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The click gigs I've had, I was the only one with it. When I had rests I just kept time on the hats while otherwise silently hating the gig.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster. What do you, as the drummer, do when the rest of the band gets out of sync?
 

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Again, my only concern is for young drummers that are hoping to glean information at how to become a successful, professional musician by reading forums such as this. If one wants to do that, assuming you are not going to be one of the very small percentage of musicians that “makes it” as a member of one band for your entire career, you have to learn to play to a click.

^^^ THIS ^^^
I've started staying out of these threads because they end up being a giant waste of time.
When I have engaged I have usually ended up posting the video below.
It isn't about 'control' or good vs bad drummers. It's just a reality that 90% of modern music has computerised elements, whether that's synth sequences, or percussion tracks, hybrid drums combining samples and machines with real players.
Randolph says that the whole Stevie Wonder show is played with a click because that's what Stevie wants.
I think the drumming in the video is 1) groovy, 2) funky, 3) awesome - watch it all if you are interested in how flexible Randolph is with the click.
If I was doing that gig I wouldn't be hating it. I would be having the biggest blast!
 

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Bit hard for me to judge the music as the recording quality was extremely poor and the drums dominated everything else. Found it boring and regimented : rhythmically and dynamically monotonous the whole way through. Certainly not an argument in favour of clicks!
 
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Bit hard for me to judge the music as the recording quality was extremely poor and the drums dominated everything else. Found it boring and regimented : rhythmically and dynamically monotonous the whole way through. Certainly not an argument in favour of clicks!
It's a go-pro camera.
I think the drumming is fantastic. It grooves like hell and the little touches he brings in now and then are superbly played.
If you know the actual song 'Black man' it is easy to imagine how great his playing is.
In short, I completely disagree with your post ;)
 

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It's a go-pro camera.
I think the drumming is fantastic. It grooves like hell and the little touches he brings in now and then are superbly played.
If you know the actual song 'Black man' it is easy to imagine how great his playing is.
In short, I completely disagree with your post ;)
Just listened to the original studio recording: I just haven't developed an aesthetic appreciation for that style of music. So please everyone, completely discount my response to that video.
 

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It's not about being a "good drummer", it's about mastering the skill set necessary to cover the vastly different requirements of live music in today's more complex environment. If you like or dont like the music and production platforms of today is entirely up to you, but the skills to work with the technology is non-negotiable in 2021 for a contract freelance side man.

If you don't want to play to a click it does not make you a bad drummer, it just means you are playing in a situation where it's not required and thats great. But your also cutting yourself out of many , many opportunities. Out of my playing scheduled, well over 60% of everything I do has a click / loop or track involved. If I was not comfortable with that reality, I would continue to play but my world would look very different from today!
 
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No, it's just practice or lack thereof. Take out the outliers on both ends of the spectrum, and all you're left with is those who put their time in intelligently, and those who didn't.
So true that. A relaxed state in any situation and most decidedly for me in my approach to drumming or any of my musical endeavors- is essential. To me. Is it to anyone else? Listen, learn, play, perform. Equal but totally different parts of my knowledge base expansion when learning say, a new tune. Even at nearly 63 years old I never stop learning. Never stop adapting to new challenges. But separate listening, learning, practicing and finally performing. To an empty room or a crowd of 50k. Know your stuff. Enjoy it. You’ve got the best seat in the house, right?
 


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