I've occasionally counted in at twice the required tempo to wake up certain band members doing exactly what you describe. It's fun to see who keeps up until they realise!Most of the time I feel like the Sheppard that's lost his sheep .....who's not looking, who's not listening, who's tuning , who' s on the phone, who's daydreaming ,who's getting drunk..... might be 3 - 4 bar prelude and a tap on the shoulder untill I have there undivided attention then give them a 4 beat (or whatever the signature is) stick click with audible and head bobbing count in.......and a hail mary
Omg this kills me. Specially when a guitar player comes in flying and then you come in and he says slow down. Like dude you set the tempo coming in. Ahhhh drives me nuts.I just find it bizarre that there are band leaders who are not drummers that specify the count in. The drummer is the conductor in many cases.
In my experience, this is never a debate when it comes to counting off things in 3 or 4.... Though fast threes oftentimes getting counted off in "one" - 1 2 3 4 implying "1 2 3 uh uh 4 uh uh" like the fast 4 - "1 2 1 2 1 2 3 4"Wouldn't the count off depend on the time signature? If you'd like to test this, try counting My Favorite Things or Take 5 in 4 some time and see what kind of reaction your bandmates exhibit.
You may want to run them through a metal detector first.
That hasn't been my experience at all - of course, in any work with a conductor or musician director, they do the count-offs. But also in years and years of playing weddings and casuals - the leader took that responsibility.I just find it bizarre that there are band leaders who are not drummers that specify the count in. The drummer is the conductor in many cases.
Comparing your band experiences with many of our band experiences is nothing short of comparing apples to pomegranates. I mean ABSOLUTELY NO disrespect, Mr. Crigger.That hasn't been my experience at all - of course, in any work with a conductor or musician director, they do the count-offs. But also in years and years of playing weddings and casuals - the leader took that responsibility.
I get that it is the default choice for most bands without leaders per se - but in the overall scheme of things, the task isn't so much about "who's best at it, but rather who knows the music best or who's the one most responsible for the situation.
I can count on one hand the number of songwriters I've worked with (singer or player) that wanted anyone other then themselves to count off the tempo.
Anyway like so many things, it just varies.... but drummers not doing the count-off isn't anything within a million miles of being bizarre.