Wow, I just took a listen side by side, and it sounds like he even used the exact same samples on that Sevendust record he used on the Alter Bridge record. But honestly, I think I've been hearing those same samples everywhere these days. It's like every band in that genre is putting out the exact same album.Elvis Baskette produced/engineered/mixed the Alter Bridge; his most recent work with Sevendust has similarly relegated the cymbals/overheads to the far, Far, FAR backseat of the mix. His work with Chevelle in the previous decade didn't have this issue, so I can only hypothesize that it's an intentional aesthetic decision, but not one I enjoy, either. I'm producing two "hard rock/modern rock/metal/insert-favorite-useless-genre-name-here" bands right now and they'd have my head if I delivered mixes with the cymbals that non-existent.
This is a great quote. If I think of my favorite albums from prog to jazz, much of the crackle and magic of those beautiful sounds comes from the cymbal work.I think the lack of cymbals make a dull album duller.
Hey look, it's another "get off my lawn" thread.
Looks like a good read. I'm getting a copy from my local library.I'm comfortably unaware of what may or may not be happening to cymbals in the top 40 universe , but Neil Young has written a pretty convincing summary of where the manufacture of sound product is at.
I've heard some country drummers saying that they aren't recording with anything smaller than 18". More commonly they are using 20" + crashes. Do you suppose this is the reason?I've noticed it, but having engineered records in the past cymbals do get in the way in the mix. They're generally a big high frequency wash at the top of the mix, and it's competing for space with guitars and vocals.
I'm sure that's mostly it. Earbuds or bluetooth speakers. Or even worse mixing for the speakers on a smartphone. It's gotta be a hell of way to have to mix the music. Especially with bass. With car speakers or home systems a lot of the bass is felt. You can't really do that with ear buds unless you're actively trying to take someone head off.I'm no expert, but I have to wonder if this isn't part of the "loudness wars" and mixing for people listening to MP3s on bluetooth earbuds.
The sad part is it should be possible for one file to carry multiple mixes, not unlike how an image file can carry multiple processings via layers. Or, alternatively, carry mapping information so the mix can be varied on the fly based on a profile of the playback device.I'm sure that's mostly it. Earbuds or bluetooth speakers. Or even worse mixing for the speakers on a smartphone. It's gotta be a hell of way to have to mix the music. Especially with bass. With car speakers or home systems a lot of the bass is felt. You can't really do that with ear buds unless you're actively trying to take someone head off.