Dark Paiste vs. Dark Zildjian vs. Istanbul Agop

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My Paiste 20” New Dimension Sound Creation Dark Ride - it’s easy to find one on Reverb or eBay just like it. I think you could pair it with anything.

great stick, dark, not too much wash

easy to control

What music is that ?
 

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I have been playing Istanbul Agop for a bit and have been frustrated in my search for all-around rides/crashes. I love the dark, complex sounds that I get from most of the Istanbul Agop lines, but it is nearly impossible to find a ride from them, for example, that has enough stick clarity to drive a band. What I mostly get is a stick sound that is buried under wash, regardless of weight. The crashes are a little better - especially the Traditional line- but not much.
A lot of the Agop lines are best played lower volume. I just went through a bunch of their rides to find a more mainstream ride that is clean, with stick attack, but not bland or boring. I settled on the Mantra ride (Cindy Blackman). It is perfect for me.
The Idris Muhammad is well known for having a lot of stick attack. That was where I was going next, had I not fallen for the Mantra.
I also have a Signature 23", which I love, but again, it has to be played more gently. Likewise the Joey Waronker 24".
I must say I find the Traditional crashes very mainstream sounding, in a good way. I've played K Dark for years and the Agop Trads are very similar IMO.
All the K Cons I've played have been more washy, like the jazzier Agop you are complaining about.
 

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A lot of the Agop lines are best played lower volume. I just went through a bunch of their rides to find a more mainstream ride that is clean, with stick attack, but not bland or boring. I settled on the Mantra ride (Cindy Blackman). It is perfect for me.
The Idris Muhammad is well known for having a lot of stick attack. That was where I was going next, had I not fallen for the Mantra.
I also have a Signature 23", which I love, but again, it has to be played more gently. Likewise the Joey Waronker 24".
I must say I find the Traditional crashes very mainstream sounding, in a good way. I've played K Dark for years and the Agop Trads are very similar IMO.
All the K Cons I've played have been more washy, like the jazzier Agop you are complaining about.
Thank you for that explanation. I do agree with you, and the Mantra ride is one I have been meaning to check out. And I do agree with your comments about the Traditional line crashes. I love the Dark version of those crashes.
 

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Thank you for that explanation. I do agree with you, and the Mantra ride is one I have been meaning to check out. And I do agree with your comments about the Traditional line crashes. I love the Dark version of those crashes.
I’m sorry if I missed it elsewhere in this thread, but what kind of music are you playing? If it‘s heavier, guitar-driven rock, Agop do have some nice options. The thin/dark rides tend get a lot more attention, but they also make some stronger, pingier rides.

Whitten‘s suggestions are great. Also, if you like 24s, check out the 24" Traditional Heavy Ride - that’s my favorite "rock" ride that Agop makes. Plenty of others in the Trad line - the Medium and Heavy rides come in 20, 22, and 24. You could also try giving the company a call at their LA office. They‘d probably have some good suggestions.
 

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I’m sorry if I missed it elsewhere in this thread, but what kind of music are you playing? If it‘s heavier, guitar-driven rock, Agop do have some nice options. The thin/dark rides tend get a lot more attention, but they also make some stronger, pingier rides.

Whitten‘s suggestions are great. Also, if you like 24s, check out the 24" Traditional Heavy Ride - that’s my favorite "rock" ride that Agop makes. Plenty of others in the Trad line - the Medium and Heavy rides come in 20, 22, and 24. You could also try giving the company a call at their LA office. They‘d probably have some good suggestions.
Typically, I'm playing singer-songwriter kinds of things, or folky/rock stuff. With my 30th Anniversary or my Mel Lewis rides, anytime things get even to a medium volume level, the ping is instantly gone and all I get is wash. I have also had trouble with the crashes keeping up (30th Anniversary, Signature, etc...) when things get a little louder. I do like the cymbals at low volumes, but it seems like that's all they can do.
 

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On paper the Joey Waronker ride would be perfect for 'singer-song writer'.
Again, it has a tendency to be a lower volume cymbal, like many of the nicest Agop rides.
I haven't had a problem with the crashes.
 


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