Do you mix/reverse your hats?

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...that's the infamous 20" "Fat Elvis" hi-hat setup.
20" Dimensions Light Ride over a 20" Signature Mellow Ride. :thumbright:

WAY slow, but kinda neat to say I used it for a while.



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my hats are 13 hh bright bottom, and a bottom 13 aa lite for the top. my other set is 13 top hh bright hat and the bottom is a aa flat . all sabians
 

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coxsaw said:
my hats are 13 hh bright bottom, and a bottom 13 aa lite for the top. my other set is 13 top hh bright hat and the bottom is a aa flat . all sabians
Back in the mid 80's, I had a set of 14" AA Flat hats.
Very cool rig. The top cymbals were thinner back then, compared to now.
I could REALLY do the pitch bend trick with those.
Cool setups, you're using.



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elvis-youre a lefty!!!?? :eek:

now i know whats wrong with you!!

kiddin of course but didnt realize you were lefty. :)


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mike i'm also a lefty so ya better watch what ya say :lol: ,but i play a righty set
 

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Elvis said:
coxsaw said:
my hats are 13 hh bright bottom, and a bottom 13 aa lite for the top. my other set is 13 top hh bright hat and the bottom is a aa flat . all sabians
Back in the mid 80's, I had a set of 14" AA Flat hats.
Very cool rig. The top cymbals were thinner back then, compared to now.
I could REALLY do the pitch bend trick with those.
Cool setups, you're using.



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thanx elvis
 

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Elvis said:
coxsaw said:
my hats are 13 hh bright bottom, and a bottom 13 aa lite for the top. my other set is 13 top hh bright hat and the bottom is a aa flat . all sabians
Back in the mid 80's, I had a set of 14" AA Flat hats.
Very cool rig. The top cymbals were thinner back then, compared to now.
I could REALLY do the pitch bend trick with those.
Cool setups, you're using.



Elvis
thanx elvis
 

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Ive been wanting New Beats. If you were to sell them.. what would be your asking price? I might have to take them off your hands.
 

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Mozart720 said:
Ive been wanting New Beats. If you were to sell them.. what would be your asking price? I might have to take them off your hands.
I've got some hollow Logo New Beats I'll sell you. Make me an offer..
 

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I've been using the heavier hi hat cymbal on top for years. I don't remember how I discovered it. I still do it to this day. Lately, on a very low volume jazz gig , I used the lighter cymbal on top. First time in a long time, but it worked better for that gig and room.
Most of the time, the heavier cymbal goes on top.
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Lately I've been experimenting with hi hat combos, one combo I really like is a 16" K med.thin Dark over a 16" A Custom crash. I really like the feel of the 16" cymbals used as hats and they really shine when using a pair of dowelled sticks.
 

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as i'm playing an 18 crash and a 22 crash ride with my kit right now, 16 hats are my next project. i just gotta try it. might even have the mis matched pair to pull it off. 8)


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coxsaw said:
Elvis said:
coxsaw said:
my hats are 13 hh bright bottom, and a bottom 13 aa lite for the top. my other set is 13 top hh bright hat and the bottom is a aa flat . all sabians
Back in the mid 80's, I had a set of 14" AA Flat hats.
Very cool rig. The top cymbals were thinner back then, compared to now.
I could REALLY do the pitch bend trick with those.
Cool setups, you're using.



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thanx elvis
You're welcome, Coxsaw.
 

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coxsaw said:
Elvis said:
coxsaw said:
my hats are 13 hh bright bottom, and a bottom 13 aa lite for the top. my other set is 13 top hh bright hat and the bottom is a aa flat . all sabians
Back in the mid 80's, I had a set of 14" AA Flat hats.
Very cool rig. The top cymbals were thinner back then, compared to now.
I could REALLY do the pitch bend trick with those.
Cool setups, you're using.



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thanx elvis
You're welcome, Coxsaw ( :D sorry, couldn't resist ;) )
 

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elvis-youre a lefty!!!?? :eek:

now i know whats wrong with you!!

kiddin of course but didnt realize you were lefty. :)


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Yep, always have been.
Say, while I've got your attention, I wanted to comment on your earlier remarks about using a top cymbal that is a smaller diameter than the bottom cymbal.
Not sure if you're aware, but Max Roach did that back in the 60's.
He used to use a 13" top over a 14 bottom.
You're right, that is a wild looking setup.
There's a picture of that hat setup on the cover of his 1966 album, "Drums Unlimited".





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I had some free time earlier today, so I experimented a bit with different combinations of the following cymbals. (I'll include weights, for those of you who like to keep track of that sort of thing.)

The cymbals I used:

13" Paiste Sig Dark Crisp hats (740g/1250g)

14" Paiste Innovations medium hats (810g/1230g)

14" 1970s New Beats (850g/1260g)

14" A Zildjian thin crash (810g)

I tried a bunch of different combinations - the bottom cymbal from one pair with the bottom cymbal from another pair, etc. Some of the combinations that really caught my ear:

14" Innovations bottom (1230g) over 14" New Beat bottom (1260g). These two sounded good with the NB on top as well. The chick sound was outstanding, and very easy to play - it was like adding power steering, so to speak. If I had a big band gig tomorrow, that's the combination I'd put in my cymbal bag.

13" DC top (740g) with 14" New Beat bottom (1260g). Stealing Max Roach's idea, I really liked this - a lighter stick sound than the combination of two 14" bottom hats, but with a nice, clear chick sound.

13" DC top with 14" New Beat top (850g). This one was a real winner. I could see myself taking this out on a bop gig.

I tried the two 14" top cymbals, and wasn't thrilled. However, when I put the A Zildjian crash (810g) over the New Beat top (850g), that turned out to be a really nice combination. Again, this struck me as a nice choice if I were playing bop and I wanted an older sort of sound. I'm going to leave this one up on my practice kit for a while, see what I think of it after I've had the chance to get used to it.

Based on this bit of experimenting, I'm very tempted to track down another 14" cymbal in the 1100g range - something about halfway between the top and bottom 14" cymbals I've got currently. I'm thinking that might offer a nice combination of stronger "chick" sound, but keeping the stick sound (and feel) a bit lighter. Maybe I'll grab a set of New Beats for cheap off of eBay, and send the bottom off to Mike Skiba or Matt Bettis for reworking. Hmmm.... :idea1: :wink:
 

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James,

Thanks for listing the weights of those cymbals.
Are your set of 13" Paiste DC's from the early days of the Signature line?
I used to have the same model of hats, in the same size. Got 'em new in '98 or '99.
The 18" Sig. Mellow crash I own now weighs in at about 1276g. and it feels significantly lighter than my 13" DC bottom was.


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Elvis said:
James,

Thanks for listing the weights of those cymbals.
Are your set of 13" Paiste DC's from the early days of the Signature line?
I have no clue. I traded another pair of hats for these a few years ago.

Here are the serial numbers:

top: 926541
bottom: 926492
 

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James,

Thanks for the timely response.
From what I've heard about those serial numbers, your hats were made in '92 and Signature production started in '89, so yeah, I'd say your hats are from the earlier days of that line.



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