I think you need to read a bit about the man.One of the reasons I despise Buddy. Grow up, dude.
Oh, I have read a couple books on the man. Still don't like him.I think you need to read a bit about the man.
He had a seriously difficult life, being on the road since he was two years old, dirt poor, traveling with an abusive father, never ever went to school, which made him easily intimidated around even modestly educated people. So he was never taught how to act around people. Drumming was the only reason he was put on this planet and for that, he was all in. So yeah, he took it personally when he wasn’t #1.
But there was a flip side to him, where he was very giving and warm as well. He is a complicated man, but most geniuses are.
Not sure you are correct 1) that Bud ever said anything 2) the night you're talking about is when Louie and Buddy (and Elvin) were all in London at the same time. Bud and Lou went to SEE Elvin... Elvin joked on stage " oh it's going to be one of those nights" (nice) and Buddy said to Lou " How does he (get that much sound out of that little bass"I also heard he did similar intimidating stuff to Elvin. Showing up and sitting right up front to give him an earful of sarcasm.
I would love to see some verification on some the alleged Rich snits with other drummers mentioned on this thread. I'm hearing about them for the first time. Not that I know everything, but I am suspicious of their authenticity.Sounds like the Rich DNA is alive and well in the 21st century.
I came across Joe Chambers relatively late -- not sure why. But he is one of my favorite drummers. A very tasty drummer. Always fun to hear.I’m thrilled that Joe Chambers just made it onto the list at 20. He’s one of my biggest influences and is a marvelous drummer who played on a ton of amazing records, but is supportive and understated enough to have not brought much attention to himself. Beautiful feel and sound, kind of like a Jim Gordon of 60s post/free-bop.
I would love to see some verification on some the alleged Rich snits with other drummers mentioned on this thread. I'm hearing about them for the first time. Not that I know everything, but I am suspicious of their authenticity.
During a Down Beat roundtable interview with Shelley Manne, Larry Bunker, Willie Bobo (I think), and others, Shelley was coaxed into saying he was (paraphrasing) blown away by Buddy's technique, but a few minutes after Buddy's solos ended, Shelley couldn't recall any single part of the solo.
That got Buddy angry and he offered to "drum battle" Shelley.
Conversely, Roy Haynes told me of a time he and Buddy were playing the same club. Roy was a new guy and, he said, freaked out about Buddy being onstage and in the house. During one set, Roy said, he, Roy, played a drum solo where everything came out great, perfect.
When Buddy came back onstage, with no prompting from Roy, praised Roy's solo and asked the audience to give Roy a round of applause.
I think that many of us here doubt your version of this. " Fairly certain", not sure it it's somthing you just picked up along the way.. But definitely the Ronnie Scott's story is more about love than intimidation, to myself and many other people...I’m fairly certain Buddy trashed Down Beat big time after this and busted Elvins chops too. He went ballistic when one year Shelly Manne won. The story is he even went down to a club where Shelly was playing and openly mocked things Shelly played on the stand to intimidate Shelly into a self conscious state of mind. What was ridiculous was Shelly didn’t undermine Buddy’s greatness that year, the poll did. I also heard he did similar intimidating stuff to Elvin. Showing up and sitting right up front to give him an earful of sarcasm. But whereas Shelly would let it get to him, Elvin was smarter about it and would just take it for what it was, sophomoric hijinx.
It’s one interview split into two issues. Feb 9 and 23, I believe.I lost my copy of down beat with the Buddy interview...or was it in two editions? Sad. Anyway, this thread reminds me of the time I was in a Benny Goodman Trio tribute group, clarinet, piano & me on the tubs. My bandmates told the story of being at a low-key kind of hotel gig in Hawaii, I think it was, where BR walked in and confronted the drummer. What he did was, he took away item after item from the drummer's outfit as he was playing, one item at a time. I thought this was a really cool version of "Whatcha got, kid?" But I wasn't there and I'd have been "nobody touches my stuff!"