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elvin gretsch, first 16 bass drum in history?

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downbeat magazine 1966.
are your questions connected to mine?
 

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That bass drum looks like an 18 to me. I think it's just the angle of the camera .
 

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don't think so. elvin jones, and art blakey later, played gretsch 16 bass drum too
 

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is this one original vintage or a modern custom set?
well, c'mon USA vintage drums expert... try to answer to the original question ;)
 
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are your questions connected to mine?
why yes. I'd like to know where it was taken- Europe , Italy- things like that
could have been provided locally; things like that;
may even been a show With Art and those are Art's..
 

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right, if I remember well it was basically a "floor tom" set with a snare? no toms at all? an inverted cocktail set
 

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right, if I remember well it was basically a "floor tom" set with a snare? no toms at all? an inverted cocktail set
Gretsch never pictured a cataloged 16" set back then; for an endorser -like Art or Elvin- sure they'd do anything;
Gretsch did after all, cater to the Club drummers,
Slingerland, Rogers, Ludwig same. If Roy Burns wanted a 16"..just had to ask.
Pretty sure Ed Shaugnessy has a Slingerland 16" in like 1959.
Ed Blackwell a HiPercussion 16" from Italy, back.. then

If the Gretsch was non-catalog
the tag likely was marked "Special" model.
 
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Chico Hamilton

JW: When Mulligan told you there would be no piano, was that a problem for you?
CH: No, not at all. But Gerry didn’t want me to use my bass drum. And that’s when we went to war [laughs]. I finally went out and got myself a tom-tom instead, a small bass drum, and converted it into a bass drum. Gerry didn't want any bass drum at all. But I told him I needed something there for my right foot, to keep my rhythm. My timing depended on it. I’m still using a smaller bass drum today.

JW: Why didn’t Gerry like the regular bass drum?
CH: You know Gerry. He didn’t like a lot of things [laughs]. Gerry didn’t like the way other guys played it. But he got hooked behind mine.

JW: What did Gerry want, a lighter sound?
CH: The smaller drum was cooler for Gerry. But more important, it fit.



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Slingerland had a 16"
63 catalog

I was thinking that too. I think they may have made a kid's sized set back in the Radio King era too. Probably didn't get used by any pros at the time but would still predate Elvin. I don't recall if said set was a catalog item or a special order type deal that someone posted here.
 

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yes chico played a set with a 16 bass drum in '52 -'53. it was a kind of assembled.
about his gretsch concert toms set: the bass drum was... ?
yes, sure gretsch had not 16 bd in catalog, but they made sets for jones and blakey later. dejohnette had one with miles, "my" hollywood meazzi drums
 

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Gretsch never pictured a cataloged 16" set back then; for an endorser -like Art or Elvin- sure they'd do anything;
Gretsch did after all, cater to the Club drummers,
Slingerland, Rogers, Ludwig same. If Roy Burns wanted a 16"..just had to ask.
Pretty sure Ed Shaugnessy has a Slingerland 16" in like 1959.
Ed Blackwell a HiPercussion 16" from Italy, back.. then

If the Gretsch was non-catalog
the tag likely was marked "Special" model.
don't know about Shaugnessy, will check
sure Ed Blackwell had not a 16 HiPercussion (born in '77-78) 16 as bd
 

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sure Ed Blackwell had not a 16 HiPercussion (born in '77-78) 16 as bd
what ? Ed Blackwell was born 1929.
In 1968 what looks like a 16? hollywood/HiPercussion

Yes Gretsch were way ahead of their Time.


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1968

And relevant to today's drummers
 

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see the bass drum logo

Yes Gretsch way ahead of their time
So relevant today
 

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and you can own brand new- Gretsch - 14X16 BD, the exact 3P or 6P as back them.
except a little different in claws and tees.
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here in 1968, Hollywood or HiPercussion

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Ed Blackwell b. 1929


New Gretsch USA are very close to 1966
just newer and fresher and
 
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JDA, always the same problem :)
1) hipercussion... "born" in 77-78, clearly not blackwell
2) well we were talking about 16 bass drum? well, the one in the shot is 18
3) hollywood is not hipercussion

everything ok now?
 

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No but I hope you find what ever it is !
I don't appreciate your Tone Pal

If you're so smart why ask the question.
Maybe - what's the Point-
I'm not sure you know anything
well If you're so sure of yourself why ask the question.
 

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claws give it away)
but please don't confuse this fine investigative topic/thread/
oh don't forget historical
maybe you'll get lucky and he'll holler
I'm up to 3 reprimands
 


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