Experience/anecdotal evidence- Oriollo 12/15/20

12/14/20 or 12/15/20 or 12/16/20


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Good question. What I like about the 15" diameter is the ability to go shorter on the depth. Shorter bass drums and shorter floor toms are my thing. Shorter rack toms too! However, I do love a good 8" deep snare lol!~
Ahhh, so you’re a ‘tuna-can man’! I don’t judge.
 

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what finish did you go with?

Well, I haven’t picked a finish yet. Vukan said I could take the time while the drums are being made to decide. So far I like the Sable Noir and Brushed.

Sable Noir - I’m not usually a black drum finish guy at all but something about the way that Sable Noir sets off the tridrop lugs is magic. Elegant. And it’s a nice black, I do like a matte finish on drums, it makes a nice contrast with the shiny bits in general.

Brushed - because they’re beautiful metal drums and the brushed finish proudly proclaims it (and looks pretty sweet with stained wood hoops on bd). But of course the lugs don’t ‘pop’ off the brushed shells like they do on black.

Before the tridrop lugs came, I was all “I would NEVER cover up the aluminum”. Then I saw the Sable Noir with the tridrop lug. Argghgghh. As far as quandaries go it’s a good one to have, granted.
 

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I have the sable blue. I really like it.
Just been looking at (drooling on) the sable blue on the website pics, that’s a really nice, rich color. Looks all suede-y like you want to walk up and rub em. I mean, I wouldn’t just start rubbing your drums, but they look like that.

Vukan has solved my finish dilemma... But you guys are gonna have to wait and see what I picked! It’s a cliffhanger. I’ll be right back here to post pics as soon I open the shipping boxes (on the day I’m calling ‘Christmas came early this year’)I don’t know if you guys still do DOTM but I will proudly enter them if you do. I’m literally going to sleep at night thinking about this kit... Is that wrong? I don’t care, it feels so right.
 

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20 to 16 is 1.25:1
20 to 15 is 1.33:1

16 to 12 is 1.33:1
15 to 12 is 1.25:1

15 to 10 is 1.5:1, which is disproportionate.
I have found over the years that simple/equal head dimension and depth dimension differences work well for intervals. Of course, that depends on how the heads are tensioned, as well. "First Call" is well known by drummers just messing around on typically tuned toms, for typical sizes used today. In that scenario, where multiple toms are generally 2" different for heads, you get "First Call" quite naturally. It depends on the intervals a 4 pc player wants to hear. Subjective. So many players muffle bass drums extensively enough that the musical intervals are moot.

Head size differences is just something that works out pretty cool. A 4", 5" or 6" difference between tom, floor and kick generally has a pleasing set of tones. But, again, subjective.
 

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I called Sweetwater to order a 15" Remo Ambassador Coated head. The guy said "Remo doesn't make a 15" head". So that is why no one prefers the 15. You can't get a 15" head to fit it. I mean the guy at Sweetwater knows what he's talking about, right?

:rolleyes: I expect better from Sweetwater... Not all heads are available in 15, but a coated ambassador is. (I use a CS Black dot on my snare)
 

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Did you get em yet?!?
I did! Thanks for the motivation, my post has been long overdue... I absolutely love the 12/15/20 setup, it makes SO much sense I can’t believe it hasn’t caught on.

The finish is called ‘Vintage Bell’, it’s a matte finish, very subtly metallic, that’s evocative of an old statue. I wanted something dark enough to offset those stunning tridrop lugs, but an earthy color that would also look great with bronze cymbals and creamy heads. Vukan came through and made my vision a reality, just nailed it. He communicated with me every step along the way, even after he realized I was an obsessive-compulsive perfectionist! The drums were ready in short order, and were at my door in pristine shape 10 days after leaving Serbia. This is a set that’s been on my wishlist since their debut, and it was worth the wait. I think Vukan is making some of the best drums in the world right now and I’m very, very lucky to own them.

These drums do very well at med-low to low tension and I can tell you the 15” is perfectly capable of the lowest 16” lows and a simply huge, fat sound. With the 12” and 15” tuned low, the sound defies the size of the kit - it’s crazy. A really distinct sound that’s entirely musical. Tuned up, they sound beautiful together, IMHO better than a 12/14 pairing (again, at med - low tuning, not talking jazz kits). They have a surprising resonance, with a lot of warmth - the Evans Calftones accentuate that (clear G1s on reso side). I like very little attack on the toms, with a ton of tone. Both heads tuned almost the same (bottom higher for low, fat tunings), and then muffle a tiny bit to shorten sustain and dry it up a little. These drums seem perfectly designed for this, offering a pure, clean sound. Never would you guess that they were metal drums, if you were blindfolded you’d just be scratching your head! The 12” is ridiculously easy to tune, with a wiiide sweetspot. The 15” ft took more time to dial in, but now that I know what it ‘likes’ it’s a pussycat. I’ve got a few cotton balls floating inside the ft, and for a dry sound I’ll use one small Trutone on each toms batter. (Ive also installed S-hoops top and bottom)
The bass drum is a beauty, I’m in love with the wood hoops (check out that gorgeous grain!). Bass took some taming but I’ve got it right where I want it. Evans Calftone EMAD batter, Calftone EQ4 reso, no port, felt strip on reso. That’s it, no laundry. BOOM. Short sustain, no ringiness, but a LOT of tone for a big round gut punch. Low fundamental, even tuned up enough to feel great it stays down in the feel-it-in-your-chest frequencies.
Overall, the 12/15/20 experiment was a smashing success, a resounding thank you to those who championed the 15”! I’ve had no problem getting heads btw, I haven’t found a head I’d want that doesn’t come in a 15”. I love it every time someone says “I’ve never seen a 15” floor tom...it sounds awesome”! I love a 12/14/18 kit for jazz, it’s perfect. 12/14/20 makes a great “all rounder” kit, and it definitely works for a good range of sounds. But to me - for groove, funk, soul, blues, dark-jazz, the spread is a little too small and the 14” is a little too high. The 12/15/20 is like the Goldilocks groove kit, it’s juuuust right. It can do beefy 70’s , down to deep dark and low, and back up to R&B. 15” floor toms for life!

(Photos: Cymbals- Sabian SR2 15” thin/medium hats, 18” thin crash, 20” thin ride w/2 rivets, 20” thin ride, Zildjian K Custom Dark 8” splash over 8” A splash (x-hat configuration)
Snares- 10x5 Tama Ash popcorn 13x7 Pork Pie USA Patina Brass
Hardware - Tama Classic series)
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I did! Thanks for the motivation, my post has been long overdue... I absolutely love the 12/15/20 setup, it makes SO much sense I can’t believe it hasn’t caught on.

The finish is called ‘Vintage Bell’, it’s a matte finish, very subtly metallic, that’s evocative of an old statue. I wanted something dark enough to offset those stunning tridrop lugs, but an earthy color that would also look great with bronze cymbals and creamy heads. Vukan came through and made my vision a reality, just nailed it. He communicated with me every step along the way, even after he realized I was an obsessive-compulsive perfectionist! The drums were ready in short order, and were at my door in pristine shape 10 days after leaving Serbia. This is a set that’s been on my wishlist since their debut, and it was worth the wait. I think Vukan is making some of the best drums in the world right now and I’m very, very lucky to own them.

These drums do very well at med-low to low tension and I can tell you the 15” is perfectly capable of the lowest 16” lows and a simply huge, fat sound. With the 12” and 15” tuned low, the sound defies the size of the kit - it’s crazy. A really distinct sound that’s entirely musical. Tuned up, they sound beautiful together, IMHO better than a 12/14 pairing (again, at med - low tuning, not talking jazz kits). They have a surprising resonance, with a lot of warmth - the Evans Calftones accentuate that (clear G1s on reso side). I like very little attack on the toms, with a ton of tone. Both heads tuned almost the same (bottom higher for low, fat tunings), and then muffle a tiny bit to shorten sustain and dry it up a little. These drums seem perfectly designed for this, offering a pure, clean sound. Never would you guess that they were metal drums, if you were blindfolded you’d just be scratching your head! The 12” is ridiculously easy to tune, with a wiiide sweetspot. The 15” ft took more time to dial in, but now that I know what it ‘likes’ it’s a pussycat. I’ve got a few cotton balls floating inside the ft, and for a dry sound I’ll use one small Trutone on each toms batter. (Ive also installed S-hoops top and bottom)
The bass drum is a beauty, I’m in love with the wood hoops (check out that gorgeous grain!). Bass took some taming but I’ve got it right where I want it. Evans Calftone EMAD batter, Calftone EQ4 reso, no port, felt strip on reso. That’s it, no laundry. BOOM. Short sustain, no ringiness, but a LOT of tone for a big round gut punch. Low fundamental, even tuned up enough to feel great it stays down in the feel-it-in-your-chest frequencies.
Overall, the 12/15/20 experiment was a smashing success, a resounding thank you to those who championed the 15”! I’ve had no problem getting heads btw, I haven’t found a head I’d want that doesn’t come in a 15”. I love it every time someone says “I’ve never seen a 15” floor tom...it sounds awesome”! I love a 12/14/18 kit for jazz, it’s perfect. 12/14/20 makes a great “all rounder” kit, and it definitely works for a good range of sounds. But to me - for groove, funk, soul, blues, dark-jazz, the spread is a little too small and the 14” is a little too high. The 12/15/20 is like the Goldilocks groove kit, it’s juuuust right. It can do beefy 70’s , down to deep dark and low, and back up to R&B. 15” floor toms for life!

(Photos: Cymbals- Sabian SR2 15” thin/medium hats, 18” thin crash, 20” thin ride w/2 rivets, 20” thin ride, Zildjian K Custom Dark 8” splash over 8” A splash (x-hat configuration)
Snares- 10x5 Tama Ash popcorn 13x7 Pork Pie USA Patina Brass
Hardware - Tama Classic series) View attachment 415521 View attachment 415522 View attachment 415524 View attachment 415525 View attachment 415526 View attachment 415527

Wow. Those a beautiful. Thanks for the review! Now I want a set even more!
 

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Glad you're digging them! They look great. Welcome to the Oriollo club!
 

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I love it when people discover how amazing these kits truly are. Beautiful kit and congrats!
 

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I called Sweetwater to order a 15" Remo Ambassador Coated head. The guy said "Remo doesn't make a 15" head". So that is why no one prefers the 15. You can't get a 15" head to fit it. I mean the guy at Sweetwater knows what he's talking about, right?
Canopus ships its 15" bass drum with a coated emperor batter and amb reso. Tom heads.
 

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Thanks for the congrats and compliments (obviously I can’t take any credit for how pretty they are, but still..) They really are amazing, I couldn’t have said it better.

The more I play these and play around with tunings and heads, the more I feel how unique these are. They just have this character that I can’t explain, but I think comes across in some of the demo videos.
I recently got to try Remo Vintage A’s on the toms (w/ a clear G1 reso) and WOW what a sound. I’m generally a single-ply guy for toms/snares, but I have the Vintage A’s on another set and they work very well with the round-over bearing edges. One of the coolest things about the Oriollos is the (fairly) round batter edge paired with a sharper, straight reso edge. That makes so much sense to me, the two heads perform different tasks, so why not have “job specific” edges? The round edge gives you a beefy, fat sound and feel that’s a blast to play. The straight reso edge gives you a beautiful tone, and a surprising amount of pure sustain. So you get that huge, soft attack but with an impressive resonance - best of both worlds.

I’m hoping to tie it all together with a hammered copper Oriollo snare in the future...Time to start saving my pennies for that.

Happy holidays to everybody, I hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!
 

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Not an Oriollo specifically, but who here hasn't owned a 20/12/14 kit?
What I like about that package is the kit is small, so its easy to pack around and the floor tom and snare drum are the same diameter, so when played in unison, you can get a bit of the "choir effect" as the two drum sing in harmony with each other.
I've also owned 20/12/16. I used to say this was my favourite setup, because I have so many happy memories of owning that kit (these days that set has morphed into a thin shelled 18/12/14 setup).
I liked the big floor tom because it gave the tom setup some real impact. Good for a rock'n'roll kinda setting.
After some experience with a converted 15" snare drum, I've come to the conclusion that 15's are not for me.
The Second Kit originally came with a 13/15 setup and I just wasn't altogether impressed.
The 13x9 and 15x12 were a bit too close in overall sound to suit me, as 2-tom setups go.
When I added then new "Evans 360" coated G1 heads, it just made things worse.
The Second Kit has since morphed into a 22/12/14/16 setup and I couldn't be happier.
Does this mean a 15" tom isn't for you?
No, it doesn't.
Does that mean I'm a "bad person" for not liking 15" floor toms?
No, it doesn't.
It only means we're all different and we each have our own likes and dislikes......and that's ok.
Not every experience is going to be a positive one, so buy the 20/12/15 and see if you like it, but don't get all down on yourself (and/or everyone else) if it doesn't work for you, after you asked all of us for our opinions on that setup.
Spin it and move on to your next obsession.
Good luck.


Elvis
 
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Gorgeous! Thanks for the thorough review. While I’m not in the market for a new set, a set like yours would be at or near the top of my list if I were.

Some years back when I did order a new custom set (JTP stave), it was a 20-12-15 and I agree that those sizes are THE do-it-all combo. As you said, juuuust right.

Congrat’s! Play them in good health for a long, long time.
 

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Not an Oriollo specifically, but who here hasn't owned a 20/12/14 kit?
What I like about that package is the kit is small, so its easy to pack around and the floor tom and snare drum are the same diameter, so when played in unison, you can get a bit of the "choir effect" as the two drum sing in harmony with each other.
I've also owned 20/12/16. I used to say this was my favourite setup, because I have so many happy memories of owning that kit (these days that set has morphed into a thin shelled 18/12/14 setup).
I liked the big floor tom because it gave the tom setup some real impact. Good for a rock'n'roll kinda setting.
After some experience with a converted 15" snare drum, I've come to the conclusion that 15's are not for me.
The Second Kit originally came with a 13/15 setup and I just wasn't altogether impressed.
The 13x9 and 15x12 were a bit too close in overall sound to suit me, as 2-tom setups go.
When I added then new "Evans 360" coated G1 heads, it just made things worse.
The Second Kit has since morphed into a 22/12/14/16 setup and I couldn't be happier.
Does this mean a 15" tom isn't for you?
No, it doesn't.
Does that mean I'm a "bad person" for not liking 15" floor toms?
No, it doesn't.
It only means we're all different and we each have our own likes and dislikes......and that's ok.
Not every experience is going to be a positive one, so buy the 20/12/15 and see if you like it, but don't get all down on yourself (and/or everyone else) if it doesn't work for you, after you asked all of us for our opinions on that setup.
Spin it and move on to your next obsession.
Good luck.


Elvis
Now you tell me! No, I’m just kidding, I decided on the 12/15/20 a while ago and am super happy with it. (And yes, I own a 12/14/20 which is cool, but not as much fun as 12/15/20) I’m not sure a failed experiment with a 15” snare drum is equal to “experience” with a 12/15/20 kit though... Kinda like saying “I don’t like pizza, I tried a bad calzone once”
I don’t think anyone here who has owned or played a 15” tom HASN’T said they loved it, I’m just the newest member of the club.

I totally agree that 13x9 paired with 15x12 is weird but that’s a long ways from 12x8 with a 15x14. Let’s get technical for a moment - the volume of a 12x8 drum is appr. 905” vs a 15x14 at 2474” - that’s a significant spread (certainly not dissonant by any means, but a bit more satisfying than 12/14 for non-jazz playing) Your 13/16 toms volumes are 1195” vs 2815” (that’s assuming a 14” depth; a square 16” tom would be 3215”ish). So a 12/15 actually has more spread than a 13/16 (even with a 16x16) - not less. Still very portable, in fact these particular drums (because of the straight bottoms) will nest. So you could pack this whole kit into a 20x14 case and hit the road.

Don’t let one bad snare conversion turn you off to a good thing!
 

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Hey smart@$$, did you even bother to click on the highlighted phrase "The Second Kit"?
If you had, you would've seen that snare drum was actually the floor tom in that kit.
Yes, The 13x9 /15x12 (which is 1194 / 2120) is a bit close to work for me.
The classic 12/14 combo has the 12" tom containing 41.98% of the volume of a 14" floor tom.
The 13/15 setup I used had the 13" tom containing about 56.3% of the 15" tom's volume.
So a case of too much of the 13, invading the 15's space.
..BUT...
You've got your kit, so you're happy....until you get tired of it.
Sorry to have bugged you. I was only trying to help.

Elvis
 

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