what finish did you go with?
Just been looking at (drooling on) the sable blue on the website pics, that’s a really nice, rich color. Looks all suede-y like you want to walk up and rub em. I mean, I wouldn’t just start rubbing your drums, but they look like that.I have the sable blue. I really like it.
I have found over the years that simple/equal head dimension and depth dimension differences work well for intervals. Of course, that depends on how the heads are tensioned, as well. "First Call" is well known by drummers just messing around on typically tuned toms, for typical sizes used today. In that scenario, where multiple toms are generally 2" different for heads, you get "First Call" quite naturally. It depends on the intervals a 4 pc player wants to hear. Subjective. So many players muffle bass drums extensively enough that the musical intervals are moot.20 to 16 is 1.25:1
20 to 15 is 1.33:1
16 to 12 is 1.33:1
15 to 12 is 1.25:1
15 to 10 is 1.5:1, which is disproportionate.
I called Sweetwater to order a 15" Remo Ambassador Coated head. The guy said "Remo doesn't make a 15" head". So that is why no one prefers the 15. You can't get a 15" head to fit it. I mean the guy at Sweetwater knows what he's talking about, right?
I did! Thanks for the motivation, my post has been long overdue... I absolutely love the 12/15/20 setup, it makes SO much sense I can’t believe it hasn’t caught on.Did you get em yet?!?
I did! Thanks for the motivation, my post has been long overdue... I absolutely love the 12/15/20 setup, it makes SO much sense I can’t believe it hasn’t caught on.
The finish is called ‘Vintage Bell’, it’s a matte finish, very subtly metallic, that’s evocative of an old statue. I wanted something dark enough to offset those stunning tridrop lugs, but an earthy color that would also look great with bronze cymbals and creamy heads. Vukan came through and made my vision a reality, just nailed it. He communicated with me every step along the way, even after he realized I was an obsessive-compulsive perfectionist! The drums were ready in short order, and were at my door in pristine shape 10 days after leaving Serbia. This is a set that’s been on my wishlist since their debut, and it was worth the wait. I think Vukan is making some of the best drums in the world right now and I’m very, very lucky to own them.
These drums do very well at med-low to low tension and I can tell you the 15” is perfectly capable of the lowest 16” lows and a simply huge, fat sound. With the 12” and 15” tuned low, the sound defies the size of the kit - it’s crazy. A really distinct sound that’s entirely musical. Tuned up, they sound beautiful together, IMHO better than a 12/14 pairing (again, at med - low tuning, not talking jazz kits). They have a surprising resonance, with a lot of warmth - the Evans Calftones accentuate that (clear G1s on reso side). I like very little attack on the toms, with a ton of tone. Both heads tuned almost the same (bottom higher for low, fat tunings), and then muffle a tiny bit to shorten sustain and dry it up a little. These drums seem perfectly designed for this, offering a pure, clean sound. Never would you guess that they were metal drums, if you were blindfolded you’d just be scratching your head! The 12” is ridiculously easy to tune, with a wiiide sweetspot. The 15” ft took more time to dial in, but now that I know what it ‘likes’ it’s a pussycat. I’ve got a few cotton balls floating inside the ft, and for a dry sound I’ll use one small Trutone on each toms batter. (Ive also installed S-hoops top and bottom)
The bass drum is a beauty, I’m in love with the wood hoops (check out that gorgeous grain!). Bass took some taming but I’ve got it right where I want it. Evans Calftone EMAD batter, Calftone EQ4 reso, no port, felt strip on reso. That’s it, no laundry. BOOM. Short sustain, no ringiness, but a LOT of tone for a big round gut punch. Low fundamental, even tuned up enough to feel great it stays down in the feel-it-in-your-chest frequencies.
Overall, the 12/15/20 experiment was a smashing success, a resounding thank you to those who championed the 15”! I’ve had no problem getting heads btw, I haven’t found a head I’d want that doesn’t come in a 15”. I love it every time someone says “I’ve never seen a 15” floor tom...it sounds awesome”! I love a 12/14/18 kit for jazz, it’s perfect. 12/14/20 makes a great “all rounder” kit, and it definitely works for a good range of sounds. But to me - for groove, funk, soul, blues, dark-jazz, the spread is a little too small and the 14” is a little too high. The 12/15/20 is like the Goldilocks groove kit, it’s juuuust right. It can do beefy 70’s , down to deep dark and low, and back up to R&B. 15” floor toms for life!
(Photos: Cymbals- Sabian SR2 15” thin/medium hats, 18” thin crash, 20” thin ride w/2 rivets, 20” thin ride, Zildjian K Custom Dark 8” splash over 8” A splash (x-hat configuration)
Snares- 10x5 Tama Ash popcorn 13x7 Pork Pie USA Patina Brass
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Canopus ships its 15" bass drum with a coated emperor batter and amb reso. Tom heads.I called Sweetwater to order a 15" Remo Ambassador Coated head. The guy said "Remo doesn't make a 15" head". So that is why no one prefers the 15. You can't get a 15" head to fit it. I mean the guy at Sweetwater knows what he's talking about, right?
Now you tell me! No, I’m just kidding, I decided on the 12/15/20 a while ago and am super happy with it. (And yes, I own a 12/14/20 which is cool, but not as much fun as 12/15/20) I’m not sure a failed experiment with a 15” snare drum is equal to “experience” with a 12/15/20 kit though... Kinda like saying “I don’t like pizza, I tried a bad calzone once”Not an Oriollo specifically, but who here hasn't owned a 20/12/14 kit?
What I like about that package is the kit is small, so its easy to pack around and the floor tom and snare drum are the same diameter, so when played in unison, you can get a bit of the "choir effect" as the two drum sing in harmony with each other.
I've also owned 20/12/16. I used to say this was my favourite setup, because I have so many happy memories of owning that kit (these days that set has morphed into a thin shelled 18/12/14 setup).
I liked the big floor tom because it gave the tom setup some real impact. Good for a rock'n'roll kinda setting.
After some experience with a converted 15" snare drum, I've come to the conclusion that 15's are not for me.
The Second Kit originally came with a 13/15 setup and I just wasn't altogether impressed.
The 13x9 and 15x12 were a bit too close in overall sound to suit me, as 2-tom setups go.
When I added then new "Evans 360" coated G1 heads, it just made things worse.
The Second Kit has since morphed into a 22/12/14/16 setup and I couldn't be happier.
Does this mean a 15" tom isn't for you?
No, it doesn't.
Does that mean I'm a "bad person" for not liking 15" floor toms?
No, it doesn't.
It only means we're all different and we each have our own likes and dislikes......and that's ok.
Not every experience is going to be a positive one, so buy the 20/12/15 and see if you like it, but don't get all down on yourself (and/or everyone else) if it doesn't work for you, after you asked all of us for our opinions on that setup.
Spin it and move on to your next obsession.