when I said I think Jack is a 50/50 cymbal/drum player maybe I meant not a measure anda half goes by until the the right hand comes off the cymbal and..hits a drum.. Vistalite should be made aware...one if not the greatest what's he call it? Noodly -woodly drummer evah..
technically he's breaking up the ride rhythm all around the set most all the time.. So hard to pinpoint him as a "cymbal" player or his "cymbal", in the many traditional sense's.
I kind of understand that way of playing it's like half jazz half rock/avant garde. Cymbals no more important than the drums it's like a 50/50 approach compared to say the old swing Kenny Clarke example (or even Tony williams) approach.
Jack usually doesn't play the ride longer "than a bar and a half" before he drops (substitutes) a hi hat beat or tom tom roll in..
not not various. I think he has one.changes between various concepts
Thanks Joe for the toughts. All on purpose. I consciuosly try to put things in categories, in order to practise/teach drums. That's how we learn. Agree afterwards you can forget about this and make it all one whole.mistake to try and put it into a conscious category or breaking into categories.
Not sure thats how the body (and mind) work's; Take walking.Thanks Joe for the toughts. All on purpose. I consciuosly try to put things in categories, in order to practise/teach drums. That's how we learn. Agree afterwards you can forget about this and make it all one whole.
Note the last paragraph: "knows his rudiments [I'd add coordination etc.] inside out, he has been able to [...] camouflage [all that knowledge] so that his playing still sounds fresh."From Jon Christensen's Modern Drummer feature in the early 80s:
MD: What makes a drummer interesting to you? What do you look for?
JC: Having watched a lot of drummers over the years, you can tell that some of them play very correctly and that they are schooled drummers. But in some instances, that seems to have resulted in a stiff and not very interesting feel, at least in my opinion. I have always been more influenced by drummers with a more naive, spontaneous way of playing. You might even call it an amateurish way of hitting the drums, as opposed to all the drummers who play correctly.
If you look at Jack DeJohnette, who definitely knows his rudiments inside out, he has been able to incorporate all that knowledge—you might even say camouflage it so that his playing still sounds fresh. With some other players, it is too obvious that they are playing things they already know—things they have been practicing.
I am Seb.I think you're talking about the latter
They're the same Rudiment's since time immemorial for everybody.let's talk about some of those "rudiments"
Defeinitely something more going on than can be captured in a set of exercises.And I think that one thing I think he believes in is a circular motion. Entire circular. You can hear his feet play the bass drum and hi hat pedal often- as if- playing a double bass - back and forth RLRLRLRL - when he really gets down to it.
Thanks for your thoughts. Always great to get insights into the background, the cultural context etc.if you try and break it down into "exercises" you are missing the forrest for the trees. Although I guess that could be an "entryway."
Ill try.Thanks for your thoughts. Always great to get insights into the background, the cultural context etc.
However, in the statement I quoted above I would prefer a wording such as “it’s easy to miss out on the whole picture when focusing on technical exercises”, or “there’s a certain danger in..” because I don’t think this necessarily happens when looking at a certain aspect. You can go back and forth between the details and the whole, just like with a picture.
The works of great musicians, composers or improvisers have been subject of analysis for centuries: Bach, Beethoven, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane etc. I’m sure you don’t mean to negate the value of the works of all the scholars, teachers, musicians etc. that have dealt with details of their heroes’ music.
Tom, i would like to hear more about your work on Jack. Do you still have it? Any chance you could send it in a digital format?