Good hi-hats for Blues & Rock?

Which hats would you go with?

  • Meinl Classic Custom Darks

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • Zildjian New Beats

    Votes: 27 96.4%
  • Wuhan Westerns

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Meinl Custom Classics

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Meinl HCS

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Nubs

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Hey all, I have a set of 14" Zildjian A Mastersound hats and while they're nice, it's just not the sound I'm looking for from hats. I think they might be too heavy.

I'm looking for a good solid set of hats for blues and some classic rock. I'm looking for that traditional "chick" sound when closed and a great shimmery sound when they get opened. I like to crescendo the hats leading into a new section of the song to help with build-ups. Price is definitely a factor, so I'm looking to keep them under $200. New or used doesn't matter.

Through research, I think I've narrowed it down to the following:
  • Meinl Classic Custom Darks
  • Zildjian New Beats
  • Wuhan Westerns
  • Meinl Custom Classics
  • Meinl HCSs
I'm using a Mapex Mars Crossover 5 piece kit with Meinl HCS 20" ride and 16" crash. Given all of this, which hats would you go with and why? If you have suggestions for other hats, I'm totally open to them. I'm not married to any brand.

Thanks in advance!
 

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From that list - definitely New Beats, no contest.
Lots of other options though - Paiste PST7 Light Hats or 900 series for instance, used 2002s or Sabian AAs...

Although seeing that the rest of your set-up is HCS I´d try to make the Mastersounds work and swap the Meinls for something better first. But that´s just me.
 

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New Beats, of course, but find some used New Beats from the 70s or early 80s (pre-solid logo). They're plentiful and can be had a great price.

I don't know how old your Mastersounds are, so they could indeed be too heavy, but possibly the pronounced "chick" from the rippled bottom is giving you a sound that's too loud and bright, which is commonly associated with being heavy. You can buy old New Beats pretty much sight unseen based on the weight, and be satisfied.
 

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Hmmm . . . It's hard for me to imagine that any version of the Mastersounds wouldn't work great for all rock and roll and blues. I use 14" Zildjian K Mastersounds in my gig set, and I think their sound is excellent, especially when it comes to the "chick." I'll admit that maybe for some folks the sound of the "slosh" isn't as warm as a hi hat set with a non-rippled bottom cymbal, but for me it's just fine.

I would suggest keeping your bottom Mastersound cymbal in place while you experiment with various top cymbal candidates. You should be able to retain that wonderful "chick" that a Mastersound bottom cymbal provides, while determining all the other hi hat characteristics via top cymbal choices. Your options here are limitless, of course, but you might start out with a warmer-sounding top, such as a K Dark medium crash. By buying used cymbals at the right prices, you will likely lose no money at all if you need to sell a candidate cymbal.

Good luck in your search. Let us know how your search goes.

GeeDeeEmm
 

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I prefer New Beat, but then again, I’m a Zildjian man and don’t really care much about the other brands. Honestly, lots of the current made Zildjian options would be awesome for blues.

I like the old NBs, but I do have a new pair that I like when I need a touch more projection than my vintage pairs.

Also...Zildjian A or K mastersounds are a fun option to keep around. In context of the music, and out front (which most people forget to keep in mind), they likely will be excellent sounding with the music.
 
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From that list - definitely New Beats, no contest.
Lots of other options though - Paiste PST7 Light Hats or 900 series for instance, used 2002s or Sabian AAs...

Although seeing that the rest of your set-up is HCS I´d try to make the Mastersounds work and swap the Meinls for something better first. But that´s just me.
I used a PST7 bottom with a regular 900 top and that was a really nice combination. Don’t let the low cost fool you - the 900s and the PST7s are wonderful hats.
 

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I recently picked up a pair of Sabian AA flat hats and keep going back to them . Real crisp foot definition and depending on your touch and stick choice , accuratley responsive . Cost 99 $ used .
 

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New Beats - the only hats I'd ever need for anything.
 

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Said repeatedly, New Beats,covers a lot of ground!
Actually, early Sabians have that same thang as the NBs
Get em!
 

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I'm going with none of the above, find you some quick beats instead. The flat bottom with 4 holes (well 5 including the center mount hole) dries out that shuffle beat. I use a K top with a Quick beat bottom, another nice option.
 

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My first thought was to try and find out what weights work for you. I would bet that if you got any cymbal, but lighter you'd like it more. It sounds like you like the open-hat sound and heavier 14" cymbals tend to honk like that. Try buying a set of vintage new beats, which should be available in the well-under-$100 per cymbal range.
If you find a single 14" or a pair that you want to try, look for the weight. If it's not posted in the ad, say on Reverb or eBay, just ask the seller. Often times they can figure out a way to get it for you. It's a pretty important indicator for how a smaller cymbal will sound. Try getting a top in the 600-800gram range and a bottom slightly heavier, 800-1000 gram range. Then, you'll have two more cymbals that you can use as a top OR bottom to match with each other or with cymbals you already own. If that still doesn't work you can try buying a single cymbal in a different weight to try with your others.
Good news is you'll probably be able to sell the left over cymbals for what you paid for them or you can keep them around for some time in the future when you need hi hats for an unforseen application.
Two years ago I was playing in a loud instrumental rock band, I had no idea that I'd be playing completely different music with completely different people in just a couple years. I'm glad I held onto my lighter cymbals because the new band is quite a bit softer and I really needed lighter hats.
 

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Why would you even consider the Meinls you've mentioned? AFAIK they're all budget lines made of sheet (stamped) metal. :oops:
 

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