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Curious if any of you think it’s possible this drum has the original black wrap.

Round badge 3 ply. Has these beautiful hoops with light gold inlay. Short grommet doesn’t go through to the interior. And gray paint looks like it’s brushed… but maybe not!

I’m just not certain these things aren’t entirely original. The screws for the Pratt muffler are really nicely counterset which indicates some sense of attention to detail. The edges are really really nice and seemingly unaltered.

There are 2 extra holes where someone moved the (unoriginal) rail. I’m assuming from the lower spot to the higher one.

I was thinking I’d be stripping and sanding this down to match my natural maple 3 ply drums. But I’m having second thoughts.

Lemme know what you think!


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Wrap not original . Badge and Grommet are probably from a RB . Don’t let the extra holes or rail stop ya . It’s a nice late 50’s Broadkaster kick drum that is for all practical purposes all there . Hardware looks good for its age . Nice Bass drum .
 

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Looks to be Correct 50’s badge and grommet . Wavy texture and patina wrap looks original, inlays are correct. Brushed silver paint would be correct. Very uncommon to see a 3 ply Gretsch re wrapped in Black Nitron. Let’s see the wrap where it meets the bearing edge , a nice clear close up please
 

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Looks to be Correct 50’s badge and grommet . Wavy texture and patina wrap looks original, inlays are correct. Brushed silver paint would be correct. Very uncommon to see a 3 ply Gretsch re wrapped in Black Nitron. Let’s see the wrap where it meets the bearing edge , a nice clear close up please
JP, wouldn’t the grommet hole be off center in the badge for 50’s and the grommet covering all layers of ply’s ? My thought looking at it is that 6 ply shells are thinner which would explain why ply’s are showing ? .
 

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All the 3 ply’s I had all looked just like the one above. The badge has the 50’s narrow sticks as well. I don’t see anything out of sorts here.
Let’s see a clear close up of the seam also please.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to really look, fellas.

Here are some edge shots.

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Oh… and what’s with the gold sparkle inlay?

It looks amazing and I’d love to think they’re original to the drum. I feel like I’ve seen this type of thing before but can’t find an example.
 

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Oh… and what’s with the gold sparkle inlay?

It looks amazing and I’d love to think they’re original to the drum. I feel like I’ve seen this type of thing before but can’t find an example.
Yes it was a thing. My 50’s Rogers black nitron kit had silver.
 

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Won’t do!
Won’t be doing anything to it actually… other than a dry rubdown and changing the front head!

Thanks again.
 

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All the 3 ply’s I had all looked just like the one above. The badge has the 50’s narrow sticks as well. I don’t see anything out of sorts here.
Let’s see a clear close up of the seam also please.
The reason I’m asking is I’m gathering as much info on learning the BroadKaster’s as I can . My next project .
 

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The wrap looks perfectly factory stock as do the inlays. I wouldn’t be stripping that one.
So no paint over the wrap ? It’s a stock black Nitron ? Wow . Maxwell had one and said it was the only one he’s ever come across and that it was a custom order one owner . That makes this special I would think ?
 

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Aye, good lad's got the tartan for the mufflin'!
Haha! Yup. That stays too.

Probably not even going to take that head off. It’s a 35 year old head in great shape… with proper moleskin. Sounds awesome.
 

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So no paint over the wrap ? It’s a stock black Nitron ? Wow . Maxwell had one and said it was the only one he’s ever come across and that it was a custom order one owner . That makes this special I would think ?
Wow. That’s interesting.

No… there’s no paint on the exterior. Just as JP mentioned… it a nice tight wrap that has a bit of a ‘waviness’ to it. Not bubbling though. A very unique look with a muted patina. Kind of subtly looks the way leaded glass does. Without the bumpiness.

I wouldn’t think black nitron to be rare. But maybe!!
 

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Wow. That’s interesting.

No… there’s no paint on the exterior. Just as JP mentioned… it a nice tight wrap that has a bit of a ‘waviness’ to it. Not bubbling though. A very unique look with a muted patina. Kind of subtly looks the way leaded glass does. Without the bumpiness.

I wouldn’t think black nitron to be rare. But maybe!!
I saw it somewhere the other day . He sold it some years back and it had the gold sparkle inlays yours does . It was absolutely gorgeous . I’m trying to find where I saw it now .
 

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@ Pre72 : Found it . It’s on YouTube . Type in “ Steve Maxwell 50’s Drum Set “ . The T Rods on his are 60’s style as are the FT leg brackets but he talks about it in depth .
 
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I have a 3-ply black nitron kit from Maxwell's, it's a great look and sound.
It’s strange how this is going . I walk into this tiny music store in my town the other day , all these years have never been in there and the sign usually says closed . So I see the lights on and go in . I ask the guy if he has any vintage Gretsch parts and he brings me into the basement and shows me a Orphan 50’s 3 ply shell in Blue Sparkle with silver sealer . Great shape . Scored it for $125 . So started me bopping around the internet looking at everything Broadkaster and seeing Maxwells set . Then Pre72 posts this thread . My first thought putting it in the van was doing it in Black Glass Glitter . That’s a nice Bass 72’s got .
 

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Here's a still from the Steve Maxwell YouTube video mentioned above.
 

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