Help! 22-13-16. I don’t think is MIJ, looks European.

[steambent]

Ludwig copy lugs. Faded silver sparkle. Was recovered a long time ago. Extra holes were covered. Shell is strong. Looks like one ply mahogany with maple rerings. Attached pics are from the 13 tom.

 

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4 of 6 heads look original and say this.

 

[Elvis]

Can we please get a better picture of that badge.
Its too hard to read.

 

[steambent]

Can we please get a better picture of that badge.
Its too hard to read.

Thanks. Yes I agree, it really blends in with the gingered covering. Also the badges are missing on the 22 and 16 so this is the only badged drum.

 

[plumbndrum]

A quick google search shows Murayamma Drums was a small Japanese manufacturer from the 60’s not related to Pearl or Star. Not sure how accurate that is.

 

[steambent]

A quick google search shows Murayamma Drums was a small Japanese manufacturer from the 60’s not related to Pearl or Star. Not sure how accurate that is.

Thanks. I did not see that. The shells are superior to any of the typical MIJ shells from the 60’s I have seen

 

[plumbndrum]

There's a video on YT of a guy with a 1-ply (supposedly-I did not watch the whole video) Murayamma snare:

 

[malagai]

Those look like legit Ludwig lugs, but the photo is pretty blurry.

 

[steambent]

Thanks everyone for your help. I will take more pics and set up after done cleaning. I set came with a acrolite. I do believe the 22-13-16 are all solid shell drums with rerings.

 

[steambent]

Those look like legit Ludwig lugs, but the photo is pretty blurry.

Thanks,I agree but something looks funky. I will take one off and do a side by side.

 

[Elvis]

Thanks. I did not see that. The shells are superior to any of the typical MIJ shells from the 60’s I have seen

My first kit was MIJ. Very thin, single veneer reinforced shells. They were very well made as well. Sometimes you get a honey.

 

[steambent]

Thanks,I agree but something looks funky. I will take one off and do a side by side.

Ludwig on the left. Slight differences.

 

[Elvis]

Obviously a copy of a Ludwig lug. It was quite common for the Japanese to do this in the 60's.
Most MIJ kits used a Slingerland/Gretsch copy lug.
I have one right now that uses a Sonor Teardrop copy lug.
I will say, though, kinda unusual to see a Ludwig copy lug.

 

[steambent]

Obviously a copy of a Ludwig lug. It was quite common for the Japanese to do this in the 60's.
Most MIJ kits used a Slingerland/Gretsch copy lug.
I have one right now that uses a Sonor Teardrop copy lug.
I will say, though, kinda unusual to see a Ludwig copy lug.

I agree. The Ts on the bass are close to Camco, I mean like the Ludwig lugs I had to pull one out to do a side by side. I am about done. If rain holds off I will take outside and take a pic.

 

[rikkrebs]

This is a new one to me. Very cool. I can't wait to see them up and running.

 

[steambent]

Obviously a copy of a Ludwig lug. It was quite common for the Japanese to do this in the 60's.
Most MIJ kits used a Slingerland/Gretsch copy lug.
I have one right now that uses a Sonor Teardrop copy lug.
I will say, though, kinda unusual to see a Ludwig copy lug.

Yes. Even on YouTube there are one these snares and its Slingerland copy lugs, extended but plate. The throw looks more Sonor/Slingerland tho. Nothing Ludwig about them. The guy does say it’s on ply tho and I didn’t notice rerings. On these three all have maple rerings, 13 is solid and 16 and 22 look like 4 ply. The maple rerings are very fat at the scarf joint but fat to the inside. The guy in snare video mentions that too.

 

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[steambent]

Silver is gingered up. 13 only one with a badger. I very small tacks are still on the 16 and 22 for the badges.

 

[rikkrebs]

They looks awesome.

 

[KCJazz]

In the last shot, the thing that is most different from Ludwigs is the shape of the t-rod. Otherwise, a clone of my '65 Hollywood bass drum. The claw looks the same.