Help Identifying Paiste 22” Ride

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That is totally Wite-Out (their spelling, not mine).

Paiste's top lines are hammered by a machine controlled by the foot while the hands spin the cymbal. So a human chooses the strikes and pattern, but the machine does the thwackin'. And RUDE's were very much a top line - we forget just how radical a move they were with the ubiquity of unlathed cymbals now, but they were as bold as flat rides or Sound Edges.
 

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The hammering is not uniform, so maybe it was hand hammered?
And an old one at that. Definitely hand hammered, but it doesn't look like anything from Paiste to me.
You are mixing up the pattern of the hammering with how the hammering was done. Yes the cymbal has non uniform hammering, which I call irregular hammering. Read up on patterns even though this is Zildjian focused


Irregular hammering and concentric ring hammering and other patterns can be done by

  1. a person holding a hammer in their hand
  2. a person holding a cymbal under a hammering machine
  3. a programmed machine

I maintain that you cannot tell the difference between these unless you know more than just seeing a photograph. I suggest that "hand hammered" means just 1. After that we get into even deeper discussions about how initial shaping is done and whether a cymbal gets fine tuning by a person holding a hammer in their hand once earlier stages are completed.

The captain has described the Paiste shaping and hammering process.
 

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This was a Paiste cymbal with a man holding the cymbal under a machine. Note the neat hammering pattern. All of those old numbered cymbals, 1000's, 400's, 405's, 505's etc. look pretty similar. Not truly hand hammered. The OPs cymbal looks like it was truly hand hammered to me. But I'm no expert, just my observation.
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Think you're right..down to the "double-lines" at the bridge seem similar.
hammering at the edge similar..



 

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This was a Paiste cymbal with a man holding the cymbal under a machine. Note the neat hammering pattern. All of those old numbered cymbals, 1000's, 400's, 405's, 505's etc. look pretty similar. Not truly hand hammered. The OPs cymbal looks like it was truly hand hammered to me. But I'm no expert, just my observation. View attachment 523622
You have shown a cymbal which has concentric ring style hammering rather than irregular hammering. Once again the pattern is not determined by whether somebody held a hammer or not. We know which cymbals are hand hammered or not but that always comes from other information.
 

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Not truly hand hammered.
they're foot-hammered- foot-operated machine Jimmy...Guy holds it with two hands runs it under the hammer; dances with his feet......then some fine tweaking (some lines) with a hand hammer- (for) little pattern's around the bridge(s) and elsewhere
 
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then teeny-peeny fine-tune...




unlike those crazy$%^& [email protected] ; ) whom I love : )
man above is a lefty
(see watch hand)
 
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Gonna pretend I didn't read any of the other comments and say this is a 1982 RUDE ride/crash that someone filled in whatever trace of a logo was left with white out.
YOU MISSPELLED IT YOU ABSOLUTE MANIAC
WHAT ARE THERE JUST NO RULES ANYMORE I MEAN JEEZ
 

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Not all series id were used above the serials in the early 80s. PAISTE RUDE was never put above the serials on the Rudes. I don't think they put Paiste 500 or Paiste 900 or Paiste 1000 above the serials on the three series of the Hand Cymbals either (which makes it a real pain in the ass to ID those if some of the ink is missing) - just PAISTE above the serial numbers like this one.

Looks to me like this cymbal is indeed from 1982 and looks like it's a RUDE or less likely one of the hand cymbals. That the owner used white lettering to fill in the bottom logo also indicates it's most likely a RUDE
 
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Here is a much more complete reference on serial numbers and years which is vetted against thousands of cymbals in our database.


A prefix PAISTE without series id should be 1985 to 1991ish. So if you see a 2 most likely 1992

*edit* except that I'm reminded by Todd that the series id wasn't added to RUDEs and a few other models. So 1982 is fine.

As always zenstat, you have the information and are the authority, everyone else are pretenders. Thank you.
 

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As always zenstat, you have the information and are the authority, everyone else are pretenders. Thank you.
Thanks, but it's not me personally. The wiki is a collective project. As far as Paiste goes I'm more of a B15 B20 specialist and I rely on others like @toddlittle827 for their knowledge of the B8 and NS12 offerings. He corrected the mistake I made about 1982 vs 1992. The original serial number info was written up on the old Pasite-Only Wiki and since then it has been improved by more access to old catalogs, particularly from Europe. The reconstruction work on the serial numbers page was thanks to bluejacketsfan, @311Club and others. I don't see Sean (bluejacketsfan) as a member here any more but perhaps he changed his name. :dontknow: I've been known to do that. ;-) We all had to start over from the remains of the old P-O wiki which could be salvaged from the wayback machine. That took a lot of dedication from the collective. Thanks guys.
 
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I have an old 20" Rude crash/ride with serial number : 441613

" made in Switzerland " in small font under the Logos on the top , the big Paiste logo and other scriptis pretty faded and worn .

Hammering size and dispersal consistent with your photo
 


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