Help Me With My Hearing on This Song

kenshireen1

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There is a break at 1:10
I have a transcription and it shows accented eighth notes on the HH.
My ears only hear quarter notes....
 

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I’m with you. I think the heavy reverb may have fooled the transcriber. And man, that’s a groovy tune!
 

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Funky, baby! I only hear 1/4's too....I've heard that break sampled many times.......yeah baby!

This is a cleaner (or louder) version - I don't hear 1/8th notes....

 

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I agree with the transcriber, eighth notes with the beats (1/4 notes) accented. The off beats are almost so light as to be inaudible, but they're there - they cut off the length of the 1/4 notes.
Even if I'm wrong, that was very much the style back then, and it's worth working on your sticking dynamics to be able to pull off this technique.
 

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Wiki says the intro guitar riff was nine different guitar riffs layered on top of each other. If that's the case, and it also lists two drummers that played on this song, who really knows what they played. I don't hear the eighth note. I suppose you could play it that way but it seems more effort than necessary to replicate the sound. It's not a particularly hard beat to play but why complicate things? It's got a pretty laid-back feel and I think you accentuate the bass and snare during the break with the hi-hat simply driving that beat.

Both of the drummers are dead but the bandleader is still alive somewhere in Michigan...... maybe try to track him down for the final answer!

I sure wish there was more music like this today though...... I don't mean being sampled.
 

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I think the quarters are layered.
I cannot hear the eighths but I think the song sounds more driven with straight quarters...
Although personally I like to play eighths...it's a bit easier for timing of the grace notes.
Just like Popcorn... the straight quarters make that song.... if you play eighths it does not sound as good
 

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It sounds to me like one guy is playing a basic fatback groove on the the left channel and another could be playing 2 handed sixteenths on the right channel, accenting the quarter notes, at least up front. Later on that might have changed to quarter notes.
 

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Most of it, like this inane little ditty, DOES !
Not all new music is inane ditties though.. there are some amazing bands out there.. I am in love with the Delvon Lamarr organ trio and the True loves.. some awesome music.. and new :)
 

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I found some more recent live videos and will check them out to see if they shed light on this. Also, I found this clip from Soul Train in 1972. The band is not playing but the crowd is funking out!:


Riddim, I guess I need to check it out with headphones - if there are 2 drummers, I would assume both are playing at the same time and that may be right....

Ice, I saw the Delvon L. trio in Sept....they kicked major @$$! Very hip, funky & cool!
 

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Sounds like heavily accented 1/8 notes to me with a 1/4 note pulse. Just gota get funky with it! 1/8 notes will grove harder than just playing 1/4s either way imo..
 

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I found some more recent live videos and will check them out to see if they shed light on this. Also, I found this clip from Soul Train in 1972. The band is not playing but the crowd is funking out!:


Riddim, I guess I need to check it out with headphones - if there are 2 drummers, I would assume both are playing at the same time and that may be right....

Ice, I saw the Delvon L. trio in Sept....they kicked major @$$! Very hip, funky & cool!
damn! jealous.. i want to move to seattle just to see them and the true loves a bunch... bah :)
 

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When the Funk Brothers are behind stuff there's always a lot more going on than meets the eye. 2 drums kits, congas and a tambourine so synced together that it becomes hard to tell who's who. Great track! I had no idea Coffey played guitar on Sixto Rodriguez's first album until now. Cool!
 

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I slowed that section of the recording (both of them actually) to .25 normal speed via the "Settings" options and can hear the accented 8ths being played a la the Garibaldi "two-level sound concept" (as described in his "Future Sounds" teaching material).
 

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Ken - I can't believe that web page and that Dennis responded on it! I guess everyone, including whomever transcribed it, was wrong! There is no mention of the accented upbeats.

"One drummer was playing on the high hat with 16th notes and the other drummer was playing the kick pedal to the bass drum and snare back beat. The rhythm section was all done at once. The only overdubbing was me, Ray Monette of Rare Earth, and Joe Pedorsic on guitars as the guitar band. I used nine guitars playing the melody to Scorpio."
 
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