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Hi i have the td30 with monitor speakers plugged into the back of the module , when i pay a song for either usb or pc direct into module the drums are really under volume so much so that i can here the thud of the stick hitting the rubber hi hat , is there a way of increasing the drum volume in any way , i have increased the drum kit volume to 127 but the kit sounds no where as good as when on head phones in volume and tone , maybe this is a stupid question am i expecting too much thanks. Hopefully you can understand my question if not please ask me for any more info , thanks again.
 

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What speakers? Hoping you mean powered monitors.
 

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And this is why my eKit stays at home for practice. The dynamics you get out of an acoustic kit just can’t be duplicated by an eKit live through speakers IMHO. At least not at my level of giggling.

When I did gig with them, the only drum that I could use was the kick. Everything else sounded…fake. It was an extremely frustrating playing experience for me.
 

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And this is why my eKit stays at home for practice. The dynamics you get out of an acoustic kit just can’t be duplicated by an eKit live through speakers IMHO. At least not at my level of giggling.

When I did gig with them, the only drum that I could use was the kick. Everything else sounded…fake. It was an extremely frustrating playing experience for me.
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oh really thanks for this what should i look to get , i like good sound (fussy) what would you recommend please thanks for your help
 

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oh really thanks for this what should i look to get , i like good sound (fussy) what would you recommend please thanks for your help

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I second electrodrummer's responses in the 2nd message in this thread:
 

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Are you planning on playing just at your place or do you intend to use it with a band rehersal/club situation?

If it's just for your practice/playing pleasure I would recommend a Roland PM-30 (these are discontinued, but available on the used market) or the current Roland PM-200, which is similar to the PM-30 but without the satellite the pair of 4" speakers. If you need something with more power I'd recommend looking at a keyboard amp or a P.A. (Roland keyboard amp link: https://www.roland.com/us/categories/amplifiers/keyboard_amplifiers/). I have a Rolnd PM-30, but there are other manufacturers with good products out there to consider.

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Roland PM-200 (Link: https://www.roland.com/us/products/pm-200/ )
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Are you planning on playing just at your place or do you intend to use it with a band rehersal/club situation?

If it's just for your practice/playing pleasure I would recommend a Roland PM-30 (these are discontinued, but available on the used market) or the current Roland PM-200, which is similar to the PM-30 but without the satellite the pair of 4" speakers. If you need something with more power I'd recommend looking at a keyboard amp or a P.A. (Roland keyboard amp link: https://www.roland.com/us/categories/amplifiers/keyboard_amplifiers/). I have a Rolnd PM-30, but there are other manufacturers with good products out there to consider.

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Roland PM-200 (Link: https://www.roland.com/us/products/pm-200/ )
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Thanks you so much , will this help with drowning out some of the thud with sticks on the hi hat and cymbals if the salivate speakers are positioned near those things? thanks again for your help
 

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What exactly are you doing with this setup?

Not sure if you're talking about live gigging or not. If so, you will need real amplification. You'll need a monitor to hear yourself and then be able to patch into a PA system that can handle pushing the necessary levels out front.

If you're talking about just playing at home, monitoring through nearfield monitors or something (i.e., Kali) is not really ideal. Those are not meant for PA or instrument amplification. You need a dedicated amp for this, as previously mentioned. If you really want to feel the dynamics that an e-kit puts out, you need amplification that can handle the levels across all frequencies...especially lows.
 

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Are you planning on playing just at your place or do you intend to use it with a band rehersal/club situation?

If it's just for your practice/playing pleasure I would recommend a Roland PM-30 (these are discontinued, but available on the used market) or the current Roland PM-200, which is similar to the PM-30 but without the satellite the pair of 4" speakers. If you need something with more power I'd recommend looking at a keyboard amp or a P.A. (Roland keyboard amp link: https://www.roland.com/us/categories/amplifiers/keyboard_amplifiers/). I have a Rolnd PM-30, but there are other manufacturers with good products out there to consider.

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Roland PM-200 (Link: https://www.roland.com/us/products/pm-200/ )
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Playing at home to backing songs
 

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will they help drown out the thud of sticks on hi hat and cymbal pads? the sound with head phones from the drums sound great but as i said when i use the kali monitors i find the power in them isnt enough to drive a good drum sound like the headphones supply! thanks for all your help , also if you know of any vids on these speakers please tell as struggling to find one thats any good on you tube thanks again
 
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will they help drown out the thud of sticks on hi hat and cymbal pads? the sound with head phones from the drums sound great but as i said when i use the kali monitors i find the power in them isnt enough to drive a good drum sound like the headphones supply! thanks for all your help
It's simple. You just need the right amplifier. Look at amplifiers designed for electronic drums.
 

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Thanks you so much , will this help with drowning out some of the thud with sticks on the hi hat and cymbals if the salivate speakers are positioned near those things? thanks again for your help
will they help drown out the thud of sticks on hi hat and cymbal pads? the sound with head phones from the drums sound great but as i said when i use the kali monitors i find the power in them isnt enough to drive a good drum sound like the headphones supply! thanks for all your help , also if you know of any vids on these speakers please tell as struggling to find one thats any good on you tube thanks again

I played my Roland kit with just headphones and also with just the PM-30. I wore the headphones when I was trying to be considerate of the neighbors, and used the monitor (PM-30) during the day or when no one was around. The headphones (Beyerdynamic DT-770M) gave the most accurate playback of the drums sound. They give them a high dB reduction rating in the literature (like over 30dB reduction), but that doesn't seem to match in the real world performance. Like you've experienced, you'll likely still hear the stick noise (mostly from the cymbals) with just about any headphones.

I preferred playing using the monitor because I got some physical feedback from the sound. I recall that I could still hear some stick noise on the cymbals, but for some reason I just didn't seem to notice it as much with the headphones. To answer your question about the small satellite speakers, they help diminish the stick noise a bit, make less noticable, but it's something that is going to be present and after a while you probably won't be cognizant of it. Those small speakers aren't really doing all the heavy lifting, that 12" speaker is pushing a lot of sound vs. those 4" satellites. But the nice thing about the satellites is that they can be mounted right on your drum rack. Notice how they are clamped on to the handle that is on the monitor; well those clamps can come off the monitor and be placed on your rack (see the image below). I think the newer version of the Roland monitor just integrates the smaller speakers into the cube/main monitor.

Not knowing your budget or practice room size I can only give some broad recommendations. If your practice room is rather small, I think you could probably use an amp with the 10" size speaker.
However, I prefer the larger 12" speaker with a little more power, that's there if I ever need it. Even at ~50% power, my PM-30 is plenty enough to rattle the room (~25' x 15').

Here's some links to drum monitors below. Some of the Sweetwater links will have videos of the gear on the product page. I would also keep looking through YouTube for the user reviews once you narrow down your options. There is also a web magazine called digitalDrummer, that has some reviews on equipment that you could research. The May '21 issue reviewed the Simmons and I recall they liked the gear.

Simmons monitors:https://simmonsdrums.net/simmons-electronic-drum-amplifiers/
digitalDrummer Simmons review link: https://en.calameo.com/read/004305310e27a84e855ca

KAT Percussion monitors: https://www.sweetwater.com/c910--KAT_Percussion--Drum_Amplifiers

Roland monitors: https://www.sweetwater.com/c910--Roland--Drum_Amplifiers

Alesis monitors: https://www.sweetwater.com/c910--Alesis--Drum_Amplifiers



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I played my Roland kit with just headphones and also with just the PM-30. I wore the headphones when I was trying to be considerate of the neighbors, and used the monitor (PM-30) during the day or when no one was around. The headphones (Beyerdynamic DT-770M) gave the most accurate playback of the drums sound. They give them a high dB reduction rating in the literature (like over 30dB reduction), but that doesn't seem to match in the real world performance. Like you've experienced, you'll likely still hear the stick noise (mostly from the cymbals) with just about any headphones.

I preferred playing using the monitor because I got some physical feedback from the sound. I recall that I could still hear some stick noise on the cymbals, but for some reason I just didn't seem to notice it as much with the headphones. To answer your question about the small satellite speakers, they help diminish the stick noise a bit, make less noticable, but it's something that is going to be present and after a while you probably won't be cognizant of it. Those small speakers aren't really doing all the heavy lifting, that 12" speaker is pushing a lot of sound vs. those 4" satellites. But the nice thing about the satellites is that they can be mounted right on your drum rack. Notice how they are clamped on to the handle that is on the monitor; well those clamps can come off the monitor and be placed on your rack (see the image below). I think the newer version of the Roland monitor just integrates the smaller speakers into the cube/main monitor.

Not knowing your budget or practice room size I can only give some broad recommendations. If your practice room is rather small, I think you could probably use an amp with the 10" size speaker.
However, I prefer the larger 12" speaker with a little more power, that's there if I ever need it. Even at ~50% power, my PM-30 is plenty enough to rattle the room (~25' x 15').

Here's some links to drum monitors below. Some of the Sweetwater links will have videos of the gear on the product page. I would also keep looking through YouTube for the user reviews once you narrow down your options. There is also a web magazine called digitalDrummer, that has some reviews on equipment that you could research. The May '21 issue reviewed the Simmons and I recall they liked the gear.

Simmons monitors:https://simmonsdrums.net/simmons-electronic-drum-amplifiers/
digitalDrummer Simmons review link: https://en.calameo.com/read/004305310e27a84e855ca

KAT Percussion monitors: https://www.sweetwater.com/c910--KAT_Percussion--Drum_Amplifiers

Roland monitors: https://www.sweetwater.com/c910--Roland--Drum_Amplifiers

Alesis monitors: https://www.sweetwater.com/c910--Alesis--Drum_Amplifiers



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You Sir have been really helpful and i thank you , really appreciate your help all the best Doug
 
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