Help with Wonderwall fill timing at 2:07

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That's how I hear it too. I think folks are counting where the music stops as beat 1. if you do this, you end up in all kinds of weird place. If you start counting along earlier in the chorus, you can very clearly hear that it ends on beat 3, and then picks up 1 measure later on the & of beat 3.
Ok, I missed something. if you count it this way you end up with the band coming back in on beat 3 after the fill which is really weird. So I guess the proper way to do it would make the last bar of music a bar of 3/4. So the fill starts on the & of 2 in the next measure and everyone is back in on beat 1
 

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Actually you can take the Pause (I call fermata...) Get up. Go to the Lav. Flush. Check hair and teeth in the mirror. Wash hands. Walk back. Whisper in the waitress ear. Climb back up on the drums
and Go:

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A bar of 7/4? What?
You have the rhythm sort of correct there, but you have written it in half time and also you forgot a 4-note rest from the beginning, since the fill doesn't start on the one.
 

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I knew I was close -I missed a note also- considering the time I put into in ( 3-4 minutes
I didn't annotate rests from the beginning just the noise the drums made and considered arranging it different But...had already invested enough time. At least I tried right. And not waited.
 
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Thanks. I swear, it sounds like a bad splice or somethin...wayyy before ProTools.
Interestingly enough, Protools was launched already at '89 and was used a lot for example on the recording of Metallica's Black Album released in '91. Wonderwall was released in '95, and might just have been recorded with Protools.
But the fill doesn't sound like an edit to me at all. I have heard the song a million times and been just keeping my feet stomping 4-notes over the break, and that way it sounds natural, it just doesn't start on the one.
The break is in perfect time, and I actually suspect that the whole song was recorded to a click.
 

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I knew I was close -I missed a note also- considering the time I put into in ( 3-4 minutes
I didn't annotate rests from the beginning just the noise the drums made and considered arranging it different But...had already invested enough time. At least I tried right. And not waited.
Trying is always good! :)
Actually I counted your note wrong, thinking it's in 7/4, when it's actually in 13/8.
 

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I guess since I'm self taught and know practically nothing about music theory... It's all pretty straight forward to me, but I would just feel it and play it without thinking about much of anything.

Heck I've written such things, we have a very old song with an extra beat in the chorus. I never knew it had an extra beat! hahaha.. The guitar player eventually said he didn't want to play that live any more because it bothered him. He wrote it when he was a kid and apparently didn't know any better at the time.

I thought it was a great song, as did most of our fans! But yes, sometimes I play with a "schooled" drummer who is baffled at some of the things I do. hahaha.

gabo
 

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Interesting version of these boys kicking this thing off live. The fill comes a bit early. I thought the guitar rushed the tempo in the beginning and the drummer fell in line.

 

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A very accomplished bass player friend refers to these sorts of things as "weird British s!#t," a la Clive Bunker's comments. I am sure we could dredge up many other examples of it in British rock.
 

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No Pro Tools used on this all tracks on that album recorded live by the band then over dubbed thats why it feels like it does probably never played it the same way twice and it was actually recorded to tape. Just for the record the Metallica Black album was also recorded to tape and spliced together some drum tracks had up to 40 takes a huge amount of time went in to putting together those drum tracks.
Equipment list for the Oasis recording at Rockfield Studios
Instruments and amplification
Gretsch drum kit (Alan White)
Noel’s guitars: Epiphone semi; Firebird; Gibson Les Paul; Vintage Stratocaster; Epiphone acoustics
Noel’s amplifiers: Marshall stack; Marshall Bluesbreaker combo; Orange amp; WEM combo; early sixties Vox AC30
Guigsy’s guitar: Fender Telecaster bass (amplified and DI’d)
Bonehead’s guitar: Epiphone Casino

Microphones
Electro-Voice RE20 (on the bass drum)
Shure SM57s (on the snare)
Neumann U47s (on the rack and floor toms)
AKG C12s (overhead; the hi-hat was likely not miked; several unspecified ambient mics)
Electro-Voice RE20 (on Guigsy’s bass amp, plus a DI)
Shure SM57 and Neumann U87s (on Bonehead’s Marshall amp and Noel’s amps)
FET 47 (for lead vocals)
Neumann U47
AKG 414

Recording console
60 channel Neve VR with flying faders (The Coach House studio at Rockfield had the very first VR ever made, serial number 1; the album was mixed on a Neve desk at the mix room at Orinoco Studios in South London)
Rockfield studio monitors
JBL 4350s (main)
Yamaha NS10s (nearfield)
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Studer A820
Studer A827 (the sessions were recorded onto 499 at +6 over 200)
Various DAT machines
 

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Could well have been recorded with a click. Either way, the video following the drum score is right. The band stops on 1 and the drums come in a bar later on the and of 1.
I recorded with the Oasis producer a couple of years before this production and we tracked to multiple ADATs using a click.
 

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I sold Noel Gallagher a RB Gretsch set...22,13,16 , along with a fantastic sounding Blue Logo 21” 602 ,and.. a 6.5 by 14 WFL snare backstage in Detroit...early 2000s....
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The break starts on 3. I count that 3 as 1 and the fill starts in the 2nd bar. this way you’re corrected to the new 1 before the fill starts and it’s easier.
 

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There's a bar of 2/4 in there somewhere. You can't be sure when they counted the new 1, but it makes sense to put it on the beginning of the long chord (see the score clip above). That chord is one bar of 4/4, then the fill starts on the & of 1. Maybe not totally "quantized", metronomic time.
 

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We got through it with no issues. Basically I played it in time. Not correct, but it worked.
 

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