Of course they do!
Interesting. In the Get Back/Beatles documentary Ringo was using a 602 sound edge bottom and supposedly an A Zildjian on top. Always thought that pairing sounded fantastic.Paiste 602 bottom and an A. Zildjian top was pretty well a not-so-secret pairing back in the day.
The audience might be completely illiterate about cymbals but they certainly will notice the difference, of course they’ll interpret it as “magic” but that’s what a certain combination of top/bottom will translate to if chosen carefully. For me a thin top with a heavy, dry bottom gives that crisp, rich sound that makes people want to dance.
I'm not the least bit concerned what others can or can not hear regarding how my instrument sounds, nor am I concerned about whether another drummer might or might not like how it plays. I only care about how it sounds to me, and about how it plays when I play it.
Try a 15” quick beat bottom if you can find one.I have been searching for a suitable permanent bottom for a 15” new beat. An antique, very heavy Zildjian orchestra cymbal I’ve had forever doesn’t work well at all. I have a pair of Dream/ Bliss 15” hats, and they are pleasing but sloshy until I put the New Beat over the Bliss bottom. I have 14” quicks and even an old ZBT sounds great over the bottom. In continuing my search for a 15” bottom, Paiste is on my radar, or anything with quick beat holes, I’ve even seen Saluda make them, although I haven’t tried to buy just a bottom, or any Saluda.
Excellent taste, Sir Trash! My hi-hats are most thin, ranging between 760g over 840g and 820g over 950g (the thinnest pair are the stiffest and crispest, but that's another story). Years ago I tried a bunch of early New Beat bottoms and other old A around 1000+ g as alternative bottoms, but they all made the foot splash sound clangy. Then I found an orphan Sound Creation Dark Heavy Top at 1136g. It's a great bottom cymbal that improves the chick sound without being clangy like the A's. Sometimes I use one of my thin bottoms on top of the SC DH top and it works great. The only limitation is the diameter; the SC is a bit undersized and I don't like my top to be much larger than the bottom.I'm super-picky about hi-hats, but I went many years being sort've mostly happy-ish with pairs that were matched by the companies who made them. As my tastes became more refined and focused, I found myself unsatisfied with vast majority of 'factory matched' pairs.
It was revelatory to discover for myself that the likelihood in finding a 'perfect' set of hi-hats (for my liking) increased exponentially once I let go of the acceptance that model, line, or even brand matching was necessary.
Anyway, part of this process was finding how much the bottom cymbal influences not only feel/response (which includes 'chick' vs 'chup', airlock, etc.) but also tone/pitch. The thing is this, though; because individual cymbals can be so complex, it makes it challenging to predict precisely what characteristics (beyond weight) are going to get a pair closer to a sound/feel I'm aiming for.
After lots of experimentation, I've found that I can most count on the various Paiste Sound Creation Dark Medium Tops and Bottoms I have to elevate the excellence of virtually any top cymbal. If I need more crispiness and projection, I'll use one of the Bottoms as a bottom, and if I want a little more subtlety, the Tops work incredibly well as bottom cymbals. Neither seem to allow for airlock issues, and they contribute beautiful and interesting tonal attributes to the pairings.
Cut down 18 602 on bottom New Beat top for me.Paiste 602 bottom and an A. Zildjian top was pretty well a not-so-secret pairing back in the day.
Somehow ended up with a 14" Zildjian Amir. Got a good deal on a top Zildjian A cymbal and paired them together. The Amir is extremely heavy and was a perfect match. Provides much better support for the top and sizzles much longer than most bottoms.I recently obtained a 14" SE Paiste Sig. bottom hat. I think its my 2nd (I'm not a Paiste guy but they make everyone else's tops sound better IMO).
So it got me thinking...what are the qualities of a good bottom hat? I had some Scimitar bottoms that were heavy and student B8 but they sounded actually really good...I think I had a Kashian 2000 that looked nice and seemed pretty good w/the right tops too.
Maybe not, but after a gig last year, a friend in the audience who's a musician and a huge Bealtes fan told me he really liked my sloshy hat sound. I told him I used two tops to get a Ringo-y sound.
I took note here of that gram weight -- I have a cymbal with that exact same weight I use as a bottom hat, but it's a 15" old A. Just thought it was a funny coincidence.I just found a 14” A Zildjian heavy bottom at an estate sale for $20. It weigh in at 1358 grams. I have used it underneath with another 14” New Beat top (926 grams) and a 14” Paiste 2002 top (971 grams). It sound good with both tops. Definitely louder than both standard bottoms that weigh in at 1133 and 1028 for the Paiste. I will be on the hunt for an orphan A Zildjian top!