How in the world did Gadd and Porcaro play so well all coked up ?????
Maybe you need a habit Tornado ???
Maybe you need a habit Tornado ???
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It helps a lot - the discipline needed to keep steady time and maintain a feel and grove throughout an entire song. You do depend on the recorded drummer, in part, the same as you depend in a metronome when practicing. Soon enough, you internalize the tempo and the groove and the ability to maintain them on your own.I don’t think that helps ……
You are depending on that drummer .
It’s a different story when it’s just you and a band ……..
Not the same thing. Try playing the exact drum part of a song without cues from the music, or a chart.Ever notice that you know all the words to a song until you have to sing it without the recording???
I think the same thing applies to developing time with records ….
It sounds harsh, like in the video below. I think feeling joy, love etc. are not meant to be abandoned here, rather it's about not trying to add emotion.That can be hard to do sometimes. Something I tend to do is play The Big Fill louder than the rest of the song, which is so cringey to hear back. A lot of this stuff is things most people wouldn't notice or care about, but it kills me to hear it.
It helps a lot - the discipline needed to keep steady time and maintain a feel and grove throughout an entire song. You do depend on the recorded drummer, in part, the same as you depend in a metronome when practicing. Soon enough, you internalize the tempo and the groove and the ability to maintain them on your own.
I don’t understand what you are trying to convey ???Not the same thing. Try playing the exact drum part of a song without cues from the music, or a chart.
It sounds harsh, like in the video below. I think feeling joy, love etc. are not meant to be abandoned here, rather it's about not trying to add emotion.
Depends on the kind of music you're making, and what people are hiring you to do. If Kenny Aronoff got some of those memos (and I think he probably did, at IU--you don't get paid to play timps the way he plays drums), he's ignored them to the benefit of his career.It sounds harsh, like in the video below. I think feeling joy, love etc. are not meant to be abandoned here, rather it's about not trying to add emotion.
Depends on the kind of music you're making, and what people are hiring you to do. If Kenny Aronoff got some of those memos (and I think he probably did, at IU--you don't get paid to play timps the way he plays drums), he's ignored them to the benefit of his career.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's a bad video. It has a lot of good stuff in there to think about when deciding which musical strategies will serve you best in each different artistic situation.The overarching message of the video though is really insightful though, I think. He goes deeper into it from the second half until the end. Using sounds to manipulate the instrument (which is actually YOU, not the physical thing in front of you) rather than you manipulating the physical thing in front of you to create sounds. It's a mind, ear, and focus thing that I'd love to have take over my playing.
Don’t know if I can say it any better. Will just say that, of all the things a drummer can spend his practice time on, IMO, playing along to recordings is the most efficient and productive use of that time. Improves your timekeeping, your groove, your ability to express your ideas within the context of a song and to respond to what you hear other musicians play, etc.I don’t understand what you are trying to convey ???
I found the opposite for myself , all you learn from records is how to copy .Don’t know if I can say it any better. Will just say that, of all the things a drummer can spend his practice time on, IMO, playing along to recordings is the most efficient and productive use of that time. Improves your timekeeping, your groove, your ability to express your ideas within the context of a song and to respond to what you hear other musicians play, etc.
That hasn’t been my experience. YMMV.I found the opposite for myself , all you learn from records is how to copy .
And that’s a necessary part of learning to drum , but I think you should be able to play with a metronome all alone and have it sound good . I’ve seen a lot of drummers who taught themselves with records .
Those guys can’t solo can’t improvise and most of them can’t keep time worth a darn .
You just don’t get a sense of the space between notes jamming to records …
I became acutely aware of all this when I discovered I wasn’t really playing right …
That hasn’t been my experience. YMMV.
No lessons ???That hasn’t been my experience. YMMV.
Have I had lessons? Definitely!No lessons ???
I’m not trying to argue trust me ..Have I had lessons? Definitely!
I had lessons close to the beginning and again after a long period away from playing. But, I don’t think that mattered. My teachers were great teachers and great players. They knew what they were doing and I trusted and respected them.I’m not trying to argue trust me ..
Did you have lessons from the start or close to it on top of playing to records ?
My comments were pertaining to self taught folks playing along to records such as myself …
I took lessons years into playing ….