How rare are Pre-Serial Ludwig 12x18 bass drums?

Rich K.

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Just wondering if Pre-Serial 12x18's are kind of rare or medium rare.
Here's a well done "Baby Ringo" 12x18 with clear maple interior, 8x12, 14x14, Super Classic.
Maybe you should check with a long time expert collector of 18" bass drums. Oh wait, never mind...
 

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The wrap is the Surreal Real Deal! I'm bringing it to the Chicago Show for show only now.
I didn't plan on selling it because it fits into my Baby, Mommy, Daddy Ringo Set Trio.
18", 20", and 22" sets with matching snares. Yeah x 9

I don't know how rare Pre-Serial 12x18's are because I've never seen one.
I believe 12x18's showed up in the 1964 catalog.
 

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There was a small "New for '63" catalog and there was a 12x18 in it as part of the "Gold Coast" two piece (bass and snare) outfit. If it were one of those it would have the diamond shaped plate for the snare stand top tube but once that size became available someone could have ordered it however they preferred. The 12x18 size seems to be fairly rare from any era but there can't be a whole lot of them with pre-serial badges, figure about a year's worth of production at the very most.

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Hen's dentures would be far more common than what you have there.

A pre serial number 12 x 18 would be in the very rare frequency category. Any 12 x 18 is relatively rare (whatever the production era) compared to 20" and 22" bass drums. They just didn't make that many. A couple of 12 x 18 turn over each year, but more commonly as part of a kit rather than an orphan. I've been recording sales of these since late 2005. My sample doesn't offer 100% coverage but it is the best info we've got as far as I know.

Jazzette Kits: 40 in 13 years so around 3 per year (although that includes 6 ply and re-wraps, etc)
Orphan 12 x 18 Bass: 8 in 13 years so 0.6 per year (this excludes 14 x 18 because they don't qualify given the extra depth)

Add that particular Ringo color and it gets even more rare.

There was one sale of a pre serial red sparkle 12 x 18 bass in 2008 ($375 and 24 bids) so I can vouch for the existence of a pre serial 12 x 18 in one other color.

There was one sale of a keystone badge in Ringo color 12 x 18 bass in 2011 ($977 and 27 bids). That one had a pole mount which suggests it might have been from a Gold Coast outfit (p33 in the 1964 Catalog). * edit * which Kevin kindly showed from the New For 1963 mini Catalog while I was getting my frequency stats together
 
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Thank you zenstat and K.O. for the comprehensive info.
I've had a good number of 12x18's pass through my hands including a few Gold Coast outfits (What an awkward position for a snare drum).
This is the first pre serial 12x18 I've had so the "Power of the Forum" certainly came in handy.

I also have a 1960's Gretsch Midnight Blue 12x18, 8x12, 14x14, 4x14 which is a keeper.
Lee Ruff once had a 1960's Gretsch Black Nitron 12x18, 8x12, 12x14 without rattlers (mufflers). I can't remember if there was a snare but I love the 12x14.
 

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Yes Joe, that is quite a find indeed! The 12x18 was marketed with the jazzette outfit in the 1967 catalog but as Kevin pointed out, it was a size option with the gold coast. This was more than likely special ordered. It would be really cool to trace it's history to see where it came from and who ordered it. I find it odd that the cymbal mount was put so far forward. This is quite the rare drum IMO.
 

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