Is this the oldest New LUDWIG AND LUDWIG drum ????

[Pylot]

Around 1909 one......

Wow! Serious collector piece. I bet it has a heck of a cutting sound to it.

 

[D. B. Cooper]

Is there a Troll in our Midst?

 

[KCJazz]

Is there a Troll in our Midst?

Shill?

 

[D. B. Cooper]

Shill?

Me? Don't start with the accusations, that could really get out of hand quickly...

 

[Commodore]

Me? Don't start with the accusations, that could really get out of hand quickly...

Aw, Forget about it. I'm thinking of seeing what it sounds like with S-Hoops...

 

[KCJazz]

Commodore. YOU ARE A GOOD SPORT!

 

[Commodore]

@KCJazz
I accidently deleted this in cleaning up the thread: The snare stand found with the drum has been dated 1888-1912. The Hamilton company was founded in 1870.

 

[flatwins]

I’m just gonna add the Lyon and Healy Archives to my bucket list. How do I get there?

 

[Commodore]

I’m just gonna add the Lyon and Healy Archives to my bucket list. How do I get there?

Ha Ha. You need to keep up!
…actually said ….one alternative to explain the state of the drums preservation.

What I’m telling you now …DON’T GO THERE!

Lyon & Healy was retailing drums made for them by other vendors for quite a long time... This one is circa 1900.

 

[Commodore]

Yes, indeed anyone who is paying attention agrees with you. With the addition that even the suggestion that this drum was ever in a "Lyon and Healy archive" is a fabrication. Or even that there was such a thing as a "Lyon and Healy archive".

ONE MORE TIME ...this drum is …not a Universal…

1.) This snare does NOT HAVE crimped snare beds: Crimped snare beds were later. Universals all have crimped snare beds.
2.) The body is taller.
3.) The two piece seam is thicker.
4.) Most Universal’s have one-piece shells.
5.) The hoops are taller than those from the teens, 20's, and later snares.

This drum was made well before the "Ludwig brand" became well known. I’m convinced it was produced as a private label for Lyon and Healy.