Jack DeJohnette with the Bill Evans Trio 1968

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Jack DeJohnette with the Bill Evans Trio 1968

SKF NOTE: Listening for only the second time to the Bill Evans Trio "Another Time: The Hilversum Concert" with Eddie Gomez (bass), Jack DeJohnette (drums). Evans is one of my "must have" musicians. No, I don't own all of his albums, but I own quite a few and always enjoy and learn with each listen.

"A Simple Matter of Conviction" was among my first Bill Evans album purchases. With Eddie Gomez (bass) and Shelly Manne (drums) -- I love this date, and Shelly's interaction with Bill is, for my ears, perfect.

Charlie Watts described his first Bill Evans Trio experience as one of listening to nobody keeping time, yet all the musicians knowing exactly where they are in the songs, and everyone's swinging like gangbusters. Charlie was listening to Evans with Scott LaFaro (bass) and Paul Motian (drums), but all Evans's subsequent trios have followed that same concept.

Once I heard Shelly Manne with Evans I starting imagining Jack DeJohnette in the trio drum chair. And just like magic, I discovered Verve records in 1968 had released Bill Evans "At the Montreaux Jazz Festival" with DeJohnette and Gomez.

I need to listen to that album with year 2020 years. That it is a Grammy Award winner, I was not a major fan of this album. The fault, I suspect, is mine. So many times had I listened to my imaginary Evans/DeJohnette match up, I was unable to listen with open ears to the real thing.

"Another Time: The Hilversum Concert" is much closer to the match up I had in mind. Both "Hilversum" and "Montreaux" were recorded in 1968. One reviewer said DeJohnette on "Montreaux" is propulsive and exploratory. To these ears, Jack on "Montreaux" plays too loud and busy. But again, my first and last listen to "Montreaux" was decades ago. I will listen again.

"Hilversum" is wonderful. Jack plays great. He's still exploratory and propulsive, but with a delicate touch. It's more the trio is communicating with what I tell my 6.5 year old grandson is an inside voice. As I remember it, "Montreaux" sounds more like the musicians are yelling at each other from across a playground. Perhaps they were.

I just bought Bill Evans's "Some Other Time: The Lost Session From The Black Forest" also with Eddie Gomez and Jack DeJohnette in 1968. This one's a recording studio session. It should be instructive to listen and compare to "Hilversum" and "Montreaux."

Whatever the outcome, Bill Evans albums are highly recommended listening for all drummers. Whether the drummer is Paul Motian, Shelly Manne, Larry Bunker, Joe LaBarbera, Jack DeJohnette, Philly Joe Jones -- the trio interaction is always top shelf.

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Jack DeJohnette with the Bill Evans Trio 1968

SKF NOTE: Listening for only the second time to the Bill Evans Trio "Another Time: The Hilversum Concert" with Eddie Gomez (bass), Jack DeJohnette (drums). Evans is one of my "must have" musicians. No, I don't own all of his albums, but I own quite a few and always enjoy and learn with each listen.

"A Simple Matter of Conviction" was among my first Bill Evans album purchases. With Eddie Gomez (bass) and Shelly Manne (drums) -- I love this date, and Shelly's interaction with Bill is, for my ears, perfect.

Charlie Watts described his first Bill Evans Trio experience as one of listening to nobody keeping time, yet all the musicians knowing exactly where they are in the songs, and everyone's swinging like gangbusters. Charlie was listening to Evans with Scott LaFaro (bass) and Paul Motian (drums), but all Evans's subsequent trios have followed that same concept.

Once I heard Shelly Manne with Evans I starting imagining Jack DeJohnette in the trio drum chair. And just like magic, I discovered Verve records in 1968 had released Bill Evans "At the Montreaux Jazz Festival" with DeJohnette and Gomez.

I need to listen to that album with year 2020 years. That it is a Grammy Award winner, I was not a major fan of this album. The fault, I suspect, is mine. So many times had I listened to my imaginary Evans/DeJohnette match up, I was unable to listen with open ears to the real thing.

"Another Time: The Hilversum Concert" is much closer to the match up I had in mind. Both "Hilversum" and "Montreaux" were recorded in 1968. One reviewer said DeJohnette on "Montreaux" is propulsive and exploratory. To these ears, Jack on "Montreaux" plays too loud and busy. But again, my first and last listen to "Montreaux" was decades ago. I will listen again.

"Hilversum" is wonderful. Jack plays great. He's still exploratory and propulsive, but with a delicate touch. It's more the trio is communicating with what I tell my 6.5 year old grandson is an inside voice. As I remember it, "Montreaux" sounds more like the musicians are yelling at each other from across a playground. Perhaps they were.

I just bought Bill Evans's "Some Other Time: The Lost Session From The Black Forest" also with Eddie Gomez and Jack DeJohnette in 1968. This one's a recording studio session. It should be instructive to listen and compare to "Hilversum" and "Montreaux."

Whatever the outcome, Bill Evans albums are highly recommended listening for all drummers. Whether the drummer is Paul Motian, Shelly Manne, Larry Bunker, Joe LaBarbera, Jack DeJohnette, Philly Joe Jones -- the trio interaction is always top shelf.

Original Post: SKF Blog - Life Beyond the Cymbals: https://bit.ly/3pOMFf7
Marty Morell and Eliot Zigmund, too. Both excellent drummers.
 

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Thanks for the tip! This stuff I listened to was sick. Bill is such a unique player. No drums, but The Conversations With Myself record is something else too.
 

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Thanks for the tip! This stuff I listened to was sick. Bill is such a unique player. No drums, but The Conversations With Myself record is something else too.
Agreed. I own a few Bill Evans solo albums. Great music. Also, his duets with guitarist Jim Hall are classics.
 

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I've been checking out "Some Other Time: The Lost Session From The Black Forest" lately. It is VERY good.

I'm not sure if Evans didn't like Jack's playing but the album seems to feature a lot of duos between Evans and Gomez. That and the fact that Jack was only with Evans for 6 months. Can anyone provide any facts to back this up?

The fidelity of the recording is stellar and Evan's piano seems to take up the entire soundstage from left to right. This album would be a worthy addition to anyone's Evans collection.
 

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I've been checking out "Some Other Time: The Lost Session From The Black Forest" lately. It is VERY good.

I'm not sure if Evans didn't like Jack's playing but the album seems to feature a lot of duos between Evans and Gomez. That and the fact that Jack was only with Evans for 6 months. Can anyone provide any facts to back this up?

The fidelity of the recording is stellar and Evan's piano seems to take up the entire soundstage from left to right. This album would be a worthy addition to anyone's Evans collection.
I seem to remember that Dejohnette left the Evans trio because of an offer from Miles Davis, who had seen him with Evans at Ronnie Scotts. So I wouldn't read too much into his short tenure - I think Miles was a much high profile gig.
 

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I seem to remember that Dejohnette left the Evans trio because of an offer from Miles Davis, who had seen him with Evans at Ronnie Scotts. So I wouldn't read too much into his short tenure - I think Miles was a much high profile gig.
Yes- He was hired to replace Tony Williams
 

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sorry for hijacking, but does anyone know which ride cymbal (for example prominent on "you're gonna hear from me) jack used on this record?
 

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Jack has posted on Facebook a short clip of he and Chick Corea discussing Bill Evans and the newly released Ronnie Scotts album.
 


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