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- Jun 3, 2013
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- Scituate, Mass. USA
drummerjohn, A Customs are not notorious for cracking. Do they crack? Sure, under certain circumstances, but they'e no more prone to cracking than any other cymbal.Seems that A-Customs (B20 alloy) are notorious for cracking. Yet, Paiste, (IMHO - which is the sound that Zildjain is going for with the A-Custom) don't seem to suffer the same fate. It is my understanding that cymbalsmiths (including modders) would all agree that B8 alloy is more malleable.
So this all makes sense to me.
A Custom was not an attempt to sound like Paiste. In fact, it was the opposite. In 1990, when Vinnie got the gig with Sting, he thought A. Zildjians would be the right sound and was frustrated that the A's of 1990 were too heavy and clangy, so he came to the factory and we started developing cymbals based on the original A Zildjian design, but with modifications and hence the A Custom line was born.
When we introduced A Customs, the way we described them was a cross between an A and a K. Warmer and darker than a traditional A Zildjian and brighter and more shimmer than a K. I think that description is still accurate, but Zildjian has filled in the gaps with lots more sound options in the last 30 years.
drummerjohn, I have no idea about consumer warranty claims, but as far as artist warranties, it was typical wear and tear. Even Kenny Aronoff didn't break an excessive number of cymbals and if he did break a cymbal, it was after an acceptable period of time and normal wear and tear.What would actually be interesting - would be to have some actual hard numbers over crack(age) - perhaps via warranty claims. This might give us some solid footing to make some conclusions (at least about the under-current reasons of popularity). Johnny D? Steve (Zenstat)
I will also say this. Hasn't LedZepI been considered a classic - long enough for the topic to be fully mined of information? Could it be that this mystery was solved long ago - yet here we are in the Spring of 2020 and some-teen thousand drummer forumites don't know/have forgotten this history lesson? Quite a strong source if a Zilly guy affirms that it was Paiste on LedZepI.
I'd venture a guess that if you asked several top dealers and drum shop owners (they're the ones who can give you some solid data) they'd say Zildjian had fewer warranty claims relative to the number of cymbals they sell, vs other cymbal companies. This isn't me "rooting for the home team" because as you know, I've voiced my opinions pro and con about Zildjian in the past. But cymbal breakage was never a serious problem for Zildjian during my 24 years there.
As far as Led Zeppelin I, I have no reason to doubt they're Paiste Giant Beat and 602s. They've never sounded like Zildjians to me... others say they sound like A. Zildjian, but not to me. Especially A. Zildjians of 1968, which were thinner, warmer and darker sounding than what you hear on LZI. If you listen to other British drummers who were using Paiste Giant Beats and 602s during that time, Nick Mason, Charlie Watts, Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell, Kenney Jones, Ian Paice, you'll hear a lot of similarities. At least that's my take...