Looked at an interesting Ringo kit today

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Saw an ad on FB Marketplace for a Vintage Ludwig drum set in original cases. Looked at the 2 posted pictures and saw BOP so I sent a message. When I saw the kit in person today I was slightly underwhelmed. The owner of the kit inherited it from her uncle who died about 7 years ago, but hadn't played it since the early 70's. The kit has been in storage and is in well used condition. But it would have potential for someone (not me) to restore it.

It consists of the following drums:
KB (no S/N) Super 400 brass snare
KB (with S/N) 13" 3-ply tom clear maple interior (dated Feb 1969)
KB (no S/N) 16" floor tom with white interior (no date)
KB (no S/N) 22" with clear maple interior (no date) The drum also has a rail mount AND a double tom mount.

There are also 7 60's era A Zildjian cymbals and one Paiste Standard cymbal as well as a bunch of miscellaneous stands and parts.

The owner is in no hurry to sell and has also done some online research so she has a fair idea of it's collectability and value. When I saw it, she had already passed on a $2000 offer. Still, it was fun to get to see it and to poke through all of the bits and pieces. Here are some pictures:

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Saw an ad on FB Marketplace for a Vintage Ludwig drum set in original cases. Looked at the 2 posted pictures and saw BOP so I sent a message. When I saw the kit in person today I was slightly underwhelmed. The owner of the kit inherited it from her uncle who died about 7 years ago, but hadn't played it since the early 70's. The kit has been in storage and is in well used condition. But it would have potential for someone (not me) to restore it.

It consists of the following drums:
KB (no S/N) Super 400 brass snare
KB (with S/N) 13" 3-ply tom clear maple interior (dated Feb 1969)
KB (no S/N) 16" floor tom with white interior (no date)
KB (no S/N) 22" with clear maple interior (no date) The drum also has a rail mount AND a double tom mount.

There are also 7 60's era A Zildjian cymbals and one Paiste Standard cymbal as well as a bunch of miscellaneous stands and parts.

The owner is in no hurry to sell and has also done some online research so she has a fair idea of it's collectability and value. When I saw it, she had already passed on a $2000 offer. Still, it was fun to get to see it and to poke through all of the bits and pieces. Here are some pictures:

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Thanks for sharing.
 

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That's about 40 minutes from me!
The dual tom mounts are drag, but a lot of guys did that back then. It's smart to not take the first offer, but I hope she's getting advice from people that know the market.
 

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Damn, the extra added center post kills it for me and for a ton of others who are looking for a original vintage kit.

It's very unfortunate that many cool 1960s vintage kits like this one was modified for the sake of Rock & Roll and is now overlooked or placed in the "players" category such as this kit.

IMO, she'll be damn lucky to get anybody to give her $2,000.00 for that ragged out kit.
 
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The added tom mount is not a positive but not horrible if done right, the fact that it appears to be off center though really brings a hit to value.
 

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Man that mounts really out there in right field. Hope there were no fatalities in that train wreck
 

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Brass supra ? That's a nice addition. Nobody mentioned that yet
 

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I think she's asking way too much. I would have thrown maybe $1,500 at her just for the drums and the snare. Otherwise see if I could get that snare for under 500. I would always ask "So how much do you want? "That's her ceiling. Then negotiate from there.
 

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Brass supra ? That's a nice addition. Nobody mentioned that yet

I am wondering about this too. The bass drum is pre-serial so it's possible the snare could a brass one from the end of run as I see it has a ball bat muffler. That damn center mount kills it for me too. I can't believe how many sets I have seen recently that has suffered this fate. Such a damn shame and it kills it for me too. There is a lot of stuff there though and if the snare really could be brass then $2000 might not be out of the question.
 

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Personally, before I would buy that I would get a new set of Ludwigs in black oyster.

Better construction, better hardware, etc.

Oh, and no extra tom mounts!
 

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The snare was definitely brass. It had the telltale signs. Pre-serial number badge, crimped snare beds, flanges curved back inward, seamed shell and the weight was more than a Ludalloy Supra would be. The BB muffler had red felt.
 

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the wear on that snare head unearthed some very early drumming memories ; )

 

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I think she's asking way too much. I would have thrown maybe $1,500 at her just for the drums and the snare. Otherwise see if I could get that snare for under 500. I would always ask "So how much do you want? "That's her ceiling. Then negotiate from there.
She said she turned down 2K.
 

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What’s a realistic value on the 13 and 16 as singles ? Given the bass drum is the problem with the bad drilling. Maybe someone should explain that to her so she can get that 2 large back

buying to own and buying to flip are two vastly different things of course
 

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For an end user, the extra tom mount would make the set a no go at a premium price.
But for those of us that buy and sell fairly frequently, there are a lot of easily sellable goodies.
One of the things I've learned over many years of buying gear to resell, is never walk away from good stuff.
Just a quick look at that set...
Snare $650
Floor tom $550
Tom $300
Bass drum parted out $200
Cymbals $800
Stands, accessories probably $200
 

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Those are the the one's you want to pay a grand or less so you can make a little hay for yourself
 


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