Maple Hoops on Ludwig Mahogany Bass Drum

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It’s been a long time since I was here, but the pandemic has me revisiting old projects. One is a ‘90s Ludwig Classic mahogany kit with long lugs. The original hoops were toast, so I got a new pair of Keller maple hoops. I want to keep them “vintage” natural color, but am debating with myself how to finish them. I am considering: linseed oil, lacquer or polyurethane. What do you think? Anyone have pics of their own mahogany kit with natural hoops?
 

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I'd finish them with a light brown stain (wipe on, wipe off) for a light tint of brown. I wouldn't try to match the shell - unlikely it will match. I do like black hoops best though. Maybe a black stain you wipe on and off to give it a dark color but still make the grain still visible like the bass? For finish, I like satin poly - wipe on, wipe off.
 

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I'm keeping the hoops natural like the Legacy Mahogany Classics below. It's a vintage vibe, but will be unique with the long lugs. The kit is mature, so I don't want the hoops to appear completely young and blonde, so dirty blonde would be nice. I think clear satin poly will fit the age, but linseed oil will also yellow the hoops and grow darker with time.



 

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I didn't see the inlay in your hoop photo. I like the natural with WMP.....

Not sure if linseed will darken it lightly. I like stains and separate poly. Minwax has some lighter colors:

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It’s been a long time since I was here, but the pandemic has me revisiting old projects. One is a ‘90s Ludwig Classic mahogany kit with long lugs. The original hoops were toast, so I got a new pair of Keller maple hoops. I want to keep them “vintage” natural color, but am debating with myself how to finish them. I am considering: linseed oil, lacquer or polyurethane. What do you think? Anyone have pics of their own mahogany kit with natural hoops?
Your best bet is to seek the advice of a competent luthier that restores instruments. He/She just might be able to closely match for the complementing coloring of the drum. This is what I did on a matching job. Mahogany and Maple are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to woodgrain character. I ordered two six-ply Kellers and added a closely matching Philippine mahogany veneer to each side from Woodcraft making it an 8-ply. Honduran mahogany has got decades outlawed for import. Philly is the next best wood. The luthier stained them perfectly! Gold leaf paint was added to the hoop's edge and sealed. I Spent 270 dollars and six of my hours on the whole operation including the locally sourced 62-dollar Slingerland virgin lugged bass shell and made a 625 dollar profit on a no-reserve bid on eBay in a week. The purchaser had me make the same, but with 8-ply Keller maple hoops with mahogany inlays and the gold edge paint for a 20-inch drum. He didn't like seeing the ply's edge either. I spent four hours on them gave them to him for free. He paid the 22 dollars shipping. Really nice guy. No one has those unique hoops. They were a bitch, ain't making any more.
 
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Your best bet is to seek the advice of a competent luthier that restores instruments. He/She just might be able to closely match for the complementing coloring of the drum. This is what I did on a matching job. Mahogany and Maple are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to woodgrain character. I ordered two six-ply Kellers and added a closely matching Philippine mahogany veneer to each side from Woodcraft making it an 8-ply. Honduran mahogany has got decades outlawed for import. Philly is the next best wood. The luthier stained them perfectly! Gold leaf paint was added to the hoop's edge and sealed. I Spent 270 dollars and six of my hours on the whole operation including the locally sourced 62-dollar Slingerland virgin lugged bass shell and made a 625 dollar profit on a no-reserve bid on eBay in a week. The purchaser had me make the same, but with 8-ply Keller maple hoops with mahogany inlays and the gold edge paint for a 20-inch drum. He didn't like seeing the ply's edge either. I spent four hours on them gave them to him for free. He paid the 22 dollars shipping. Really nice guy. No one has those unique hoops. They were a bitch, ain't making any more.
That sounds special. Any pics?
 

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If you’re thinking poly, and you want yellowing, make sure you use oil based poly. The water based finish keeps its color better.
Good point. I’m leaning toward clear Varathane oil-based polyurethane for the durability. The shells were refinished in lacquer, but I had reservations about using poly for the hoops because it may offend Ludwig enthusiasts or collectors.
 
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Your best bet is to seek the advice of a competent luthier that restores instruments. He/She just might be able to closely match for the complementing coloring of the drum. This is what I did on a matching job. Mahogany and Maple are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to woodgrain character. I ordered two six-ply Kellers and added a closely matching Philippine mahogany veneer to each side from Woodcraft making it an 8-ply. Honduran mahogany has got decades outlawed for import. Philly is the next best wood. The luthier stained them perfectly! Gold leaf paint was added to the hoop's edge and sealed. I Spent 270 dollars and six of my hours on the whole operation including the locally sourced 62-dollar Slingerland virgin lugged bass shell and made a 625 dollar profit on a no-reserve bid on eBay in a week. The purchaser had me make the same, but with 8-ply Keller maple hoops with mahogany inlays and the gold edge paint for a 20-inch drum. He didn't like seeing the ply's edge either. I spent four hours on them gave them to him for free. He paid the 22 dollars shipping. Really nice guy. No one has those unique hoops. They were a bitch, ain't making any more.
The OP's shells are maple with a mahogany stain so there should be no issues if a luthier can match the finish.
 

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Unless you can match the finish exactly, I would go with natural finish. Anything stained that doesn't match will stick out like a sore thumb. Natural makes a nice contrast and is a standard combination so it will look good.
 

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You can use amber shellac (pre-mixed, from H. Depot) to "yellow" the hoops. I am doing a Charlie Watts tribute kit with natural maple shells and using that product to give it the right aged looks. It's a real pain to use - dries very fast and leaves drips - but once the dyeing is done, I can finish it right with a satin poly by hand and it will be very close to his kit.......just another project in limbo, though.
 

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